1/16 Delta Force Commando

modelchasm wrote:

Hey, nice job Camo. Nice job getting this one finished up.

thanks guys. i appreciate it.  im glad someone at least posted a response to this thread! 40 plus people view it and not one response...y??? what's it take to say yay or nay???? lol.

model, i worked on this thing all weekend. was putting the helmet back on (after all was done) and of course it cracked in half again!!!! so...if it looks like ^%&$%^ its because i didnt care anymore after that. i had a real nice paint job on it and everything. and of course when it cracked in half i had to reglue it...remove the seam again and throw another coat of paint on it...didnt care about making it look good at that point...frustration thy name is tom!!!!!!! i also completely repainted the face (thanks model! lol) and even though you cant tell it has some red in the cheeks and just looks better i.mo.!

Cracked again!!! I'd get a refund on that glue buddy! HAHA!

I didn't really even notice. I just thought that the helmet had that "nice, worn" look. Looks good though.

As far as anyone else posting ... Uh .... I don't know. I know I've got time, so I build and post at my leasure. I'm just glad that there are the select few here that I can bouce ideas off of.

Anyway ... nice job on the vest BTW. How did you get that really worn look on the green? That's not just dry-brushing ... Is it!?! I think that was the look that I needed on my OIF figure's vest ... But I'm dang sure going to do it on my SF figure.

yeah, i know as far as the posts go...no big deal...it just seems funny. you got 50 people that take a look at it then...! whatever, im babbling and its irrelevant anyway.

yep!!! dang thing cracked again. the way they made it i should've put it together first on his head then painted it...however...blah blah blah!!! lol. like u said, fat man in a little suit (know the movie...love it btw).

the vest itself, is drybrushed...however, its drybrushed with yellow. i learned that allloooonnnngg time ago. was using lighter shades of green, blah blah blah...nope...use yellow on any green, olive drap color!! (just in case u didnt know that...) but thanks, painted darker shadows in the folds..etc, then accented with lighter shades...but the vest is strictly yellow drybrush. it should probably be a little more subtle then the way i have it but whatever!!

uggghhh....that helmet. hahaha....i had such a nice paint job on it too! i realized something about painting black as well while doing this and again perhaps u know this but i figured i'd mention it if u dont. dont paint anything black...paint it dark gray then shadow/wash it with black!! at least that's what i will do next time...like i said i had such a nice paint job that way on the helmet!! my guys boots are actually painted dark gray then outlined in black...even though u cant see it very well it looks good in my opinion.

as far as your s.f. fig...cant wait to see it...!!

Yellow!?! ... Nice trick! Really!!! I've always done the little green-thing and never really got the look that I wanted. But your vest is perfect! Seriously. I don't think that it's over-done at all. That was the thing with everything OD (as I'm sure you know) ... when it's new, its NEW. But when it breaks in there's all kinds of colors in there!

Since psst showed me a few tricks in Photoshop, I've been taking reference pictures of gear so that I can go back in with PS, grab the color of the rucksack (for example) that I need, and then match my paint color to that swatch. Its a little time consuming, but it works well.

As for the black paint trick .... yea, thats a good one. Pure black is just so dark. Especially when you start talking about the whole "scaling down colors" again.

But, all in all, I think that you should be very happy with this one ....

... now what are you going to do for the base!?!? (HAHA!!! Got'cha!!!)

funny u should say that about the base...lol...i already threw in a real simple base from styrene and in the end im gonna call it "upper level". the way i see it is that most delta force concepts arent from them engaging enemy soldiers but more of a "rescue" or b & e type of thing. so long story short...i have him next to a wall with stairs going up and on the wall will be an arrow and the words "upper level" on it. its simplistic and basic (really basic) but i dont have time to do more...i want to finish that damn dio!!! LOL.

yes yellow!!! you're gonna see how it brings out the color of the green and really is a nice accent to green/o.d.!! the (now dead) owner of my favorite hobby shop taught me that one along time ago and it works! but i know what ya mean, i always added white to my greens, etc...never got the look i wanted. but everytime i use the yellow...works great!! straight yellow btw. you can add white to the yellow to "lighten" it up if ya want for more contrast!

i like the idea of the whole photoshop trick. certainly a unique way to approach it and get the colors u want! i think that's gotta work pretty well?!?! but of course you stated that...LOL.  

btw, i wanted you to know that that whole other "issue" between you and i wasnt a big deal. i really do appreciate all your advice and please continue to tell me what i should do or change or whatever. you'll see (if not already) that i dont always follow the advice just simply because i dont always feel like spending more time doing things...LOL. i know that's what your hobby entails but i just dont want you to think its personal i guess is what im saying. it isnt...i guess im just being lazy!!! so please tell me i want to learn...just not always in the mood to learn...make sense??

You're good brother, really. Its the whole "you can lead a horse to water" thing ... We both have two different building styles, as does everyone else ... but ... that's what makes you better; just trying out something new.

Working on getting things "fitted" right now ... packing is a crutch! Hopefully, I'll have everything fitted and pictures shot. I'd like to have it all primed and then take pictures, but I don't think that's going to happen.

yeah it is old school p.o. LOL. ya gotta remember though, 1) i began this 6 years ago and the fig came out 13 years ago, 2) i aint like you guys cuttin and scratchin... it fits being woodland camo and all. i might have changed it if i had something available (nothing modern). model has all the scrap parts!

glad u like the yellow, hope u guys can use it on your stuff! the base is done, i just have to paint it and like i said...its basic...but also like i said, i dont want to spend all kinds of time with it...mostly just glad that its done after so long! as for the helmet, you think what ya want buddy....lol...but i know the truth!!

Hey camo (just back to the house) and was thinking ... well, wondering. Do you think that your yellow DBing trick would work for say a desert tan pack? I was thinking of using a lighter tan color, but I was trying to think of a color to DB that would give me the same effect as what you've got on your figure.

Just curious.

Looking forward to getting back to work on my stuff. Let me know what you think.

hey welcome back buddy. hard to say if the yellow would work on tan like ya want. i mean yellow works so well with green because its a by product of green (yellow & blue). so honestly speaking...im really not sure bud. i would like 2 say sure...but i never tried it and i dont want you to mess up your guy. maybe try it out on a "dummy" fig or something. what are the 2 or 3 main colors of brown? (i really need a good color wheel as kindergarten was way to long ago). i'd say give it a shot if you want to model...but dont hold me responsible if it doesnt work cause i never tried it.... ya know what...perhaps a good "yellow ochre"...has the yellow plus the brown.... well, your never one to not try something so see what u think. i think it might work but having not done it...i can picture it in my mind only...and sometimes then my visions are cloudy!!

if it works though, let me know because i would like to use it as well.

Welcome back indeed- I might try (for tan) almost a flesh tone or a white (blended nicely of course) just due to the fact that while OD does bleach out to a yellow green like camo depicted, I’d argue that tan, especially in a sandy environment, bleaches out to a near white/flesh tone kind of tan. I agree with camo about the yellow coming out of the blue and yellow, and I’m not sure, browns one of those special colors.

Here’s a little tidbit on browns and grays as far as the color spectrum goes. Apparently, the only two colors you’d need to mix would be one primary (red, yellow, blue) with it’s complementary secondary color (green, purple, orange respectfully). What I might try and suggest is if you go the route of highlighting with a yellowish tan- try shading with a purplish tan as well as the two will complement each other. (not saying make a yellow and purple vest haha but instead of using whites and blacks to get variations in the paint you used for the tan, try mixing the yellow and purple until you get the darker shade you want). It's what my art teacher always told me to do. Never thought it'd work until I did it, maybe up-close it's a little harsh (read: problematic for scale figure painting) but on a large canvas, the technique works great!

Now I’m not sure if purple is in your paint arsenal... (you could in theory do the same with blue/orange or red/green- I'd mix them all on a tray and see which combo looks the nicest for the tan you want to use as a base coat.)

http://painting.about.com/od/colourtheory/ss/color_theory_5.htm

"Browns and grays contain all three primary colors. They're created by mixing either all three primary colors or a primary and secondary color (secondary colors of course being made from two primaries). By varying the proportions of the colors you're mixing, you create the different tertiary colors.
What's the Easiest Way to Mix a Brown?

Mix a primary color with its complementary color. So add orange to blue, purple to yellow, or green to red. Each of these makes a different brown, so once again make up a color chart to give you a quick reference to refer to.
What's the Easiest Way to Mix a Gray?

Mix some orange (or yellow and red) with a blue then add some white. You'll always want more blue than orange, but experiment with the amount of white you use. You can also mix blue with an earth color, such as raw umber or burnt sienna. Of course with watercolor you don't have white paint; to lighten a gray you add more water instead of white, but remember the gray will be lighter when it dries."

Sorry for the essay! I’m avoiding writing a PoliSci paper, figured writing one on colors would be much more pertinent.

hmmmm....maybe that's the answer model....maybe an orange db?? its a scary prospect and one i might experiment with b4 the final application.

btw, welcome back too P.O. nice of you to "join us". i see how it is, your bestes buddy in the whole wide world goes away for a week and i dont see hide nor hair of you for a week. guess im not worthy to talk to. oh sure i see you post in other threads and what not....hmmmmm....that's ok, i'll pretend like NOTHING happened!! but i'll remember that buddy....and dont try any of that school crap on me either....waaahhhh...i have homework....waahhh.... .

since we're on this subject though, either of u guys (or anyone) have a good color chart? one maybe i can download. if not i can do a search...was just wondering.

I guess that's true of the yellow ... coming out of the green color I mean. I guess I too need a good color wheel .... When I travel a lot and then sit back down at the bench after being gone a while, it seems like I'm a bit retarded! Takes me a minute or three to get my mind right ....

Anyway. You were dead on with this figure, camo, and with your comments a few posts ago. All the gear and the colors were perfect for this one. I don't think that you could have modified this figure to make it more modern. There just way too much gear that would have to be replaced. I think that you did this one right.

Congrats.

... now where are you in the your Mosul build!?!

well, thanks for the comments model! i dont think its perfect (but that's me). im sure though, everyone will agree with you about sitting down and "not feeling it" after being gone awhile.

yeah, i dont think i could've either made it more modern than it is...one, im just lazy lol, 2, that's your speciality not mine . i wish i had a good answer for your tan ?'s.

the dio build...just added some sand to my groundwork (the median). ohhhh, i went ahead and made a palm tree to put in the median....used the verlinded one (resin tree with photoetch leaves)..............WHAT A FREAKIN' PAIN IN THE THOSE LEAVES WERE TO GLUE ON!!!!!!!! i fought with those things like u wouldnt believe. they just didnt want to glue for nothing!! when i finally did get them all on, the next day i removed it from the base i glued it to so i could paint it, etc. as soon as it "snapped" 3 leaves went flying across the room!!! . freakin' tree looks awesome but man....there has GOT to be a better way!!!

Awww man! Sorry camo, you're right, haha I haven't been doing hw . Finals are coming up though I was going to comment on your model's Midnight in Mosul thread but I haven’t seen much progress on that one Just Kidding!

And hey- it’s not like you chatted me up either!

Color wheel for you though camo, just to show there’s no hard feelings -

This one shows tones by adding a bit of white until you get the pure white- remember though, there really is no universal color wheel, what I’d suggest if you really want to get into it, would be making your own wheel based on the colors you use, also make your favorite mixed paints on your own chips and then write the mix on the back or something, just so you know your own paints, then you can mix and match chips to figure out highlights etc. (btw none of this is what I actually do, I just kind of wing it and eyeball it- but IDEALLY that’d be my way of doing things if I had the time/motivation)

Hey- speaking of Commandos camo, maybe this should have been your base!

camo junkie wrote:

WHAT A FREAKIN' PAIN IN THE THOSE LEAVES WERE TO GLUE ON!!!!!!!! i fought with those things like u wouldnt believe. they just didnt want to glue for nothing!! when i finally did get them all on, the next day i removed it from the base i glued it to so i could paint it, etc. as soon as it "snapped" 3 leaves went flying across the room!!! . freakin' tree looks awesome but man....there has GOT to be a better way!!!

I'm excited to see it!! Sorry to hear about the leaves, maybe once the glue holds in place, if you took some filler putty or epoxy or something and kind of sandwitched the glued leaves between the putty and the top of the palm? Just to kind of lock it in..? Hmm.. Does sound like a pain.

psstoff995 wrote:

Awww man! Sorry camo, you're right, haha I haven't been doing hw . Finals are coming up though I was going to comment on your model's Midnight in Mosul thread but I haven’t seen much progress on that one Just Kidding! And hey- it’s not like you chatted me up either! Color wheel for you though camo, just to show there’s no hard feelings - This one shows tones by adding a bit of white until you get the pure white- remember though, there really is no universal color wheel, what I’d suggest if you really want to get into it, would be making your own wheel based on the colors you use, also make your favorite mixed paints on your own chips and then write the mix on the back or something, just so you know your own paints, then you can mix and match chips to figure out highlights etc. (btw none of this is what I actually do, I just kind of wing it and eyeball it- but IDEALLY that’d be my way of doing things if I had the time/motivation) Hey- speaking of Commandos camo, maybe this should have been your base!

nice commando pic. lots of flowers...lol. funny thing is he's shooting at like a 45 degree angle and probably wanting to shoot straight!! ahhh arnold! . as far as "models" thread, i've been busy working (very slowly) on it but as of today right this minute....i am done...............with the base!!!! LOL. i think the addition of the tree and the groundwork and debris...looks great. i have more figures to do (and perhaps a humvee) but it wont take that long. i am going back to the m-i-l's house this weekend so i will take some work with me to do and the way i see it...i will be done by this time next week or by the weekend of that week!!! yeah, who cares if it took me 4 months!!! lol. .

thanks 4 the wheel btw, though im not sure anymore about adding white to lighten the colors. i have been like u said writting down my color schemes. base colors, highlights, shadows...etc. also appreciate the putty idea with the tree...but i think its solid now. just needed time to dry descent enough. if not....i will try it bud!

Give those leaves a few layers of CA. First to tack them on, then a drop or two later with time to dry in btwn.

psst, thanks for the color wheel and the tips on cataloging my own chips .... but no thanks. I'm of the opinion that no two models will ever have the same colors in them ... even if your doing dios within the same period. Light always strikes things differently.

I was going to make comments about other builds but I've made a resolution not to talk about "other" builds on "other" threads. (So go over there ....  haha)

camo junkie wrote:

nice commando pic. lots of flowers...lol. funny thing is he's shooting at like a 45 degree angle and probably wanting to shoot straight!! ahhh arnold!

That's my favorite shot from the whole movie- it really exemplifies the tactics and realism of the era. Flower pots deflect incoming fire without sustaining damage, waving your gun around in the air will kill any and all persons while friendly forces are immune. Etc.

camo junkie wrote:

thanks 4 the wheel btw, though im not sure anymore about adding white to lighten the colors. i have been like u said writting down my color schemes. base colors, highlights, shadows...etc. also appreciate the putty idea with the tree...but i think its solid now. just needed time to dry descent enough. if not....i will try it bud!

No problem, I agree though, not sure it'd be worth the effort, lighting in itself could easily cause variations between two different uniforms within feet of eachother-

Nice work indeed, very nice work.

Your very welcome ^_^