Weapon ID

Robh22

Was wondering if anyone could ID the two rifles in the picture here for me so I can find some pics for painting purposes. I'm pretty sure the machine gun is a Thompson, but the two rifles, I have no clue.

 

 

Thanks

Rob

You have a Thompson submachine gun lower center and two M1 carbines on the right.

Sprue-ce Goose

...You have a Thompson submachine gun lower center and two M1 carbines on the right....

I agree.

Thank you! See, I would have said the two rifles were two different types. Again, thank you. Now I can look up the pics and get the colors right for painting.

You are very welcome !

Best of luck on your project.

Robh22

Thank you! See, I would have said the two rifles were two different types. Again, thank you. Now I can look up the pics and get the colors right for painting.

You could have two different types with the addition of a 30-rd mag on one of them and the 20-rd on the other... Visually and for modeling purposes,  that's the only difference between the semi-auto M1 and the select-fire M2...

How are these for paint purposes?

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lol I'm going to know SOOO much about the tech stuff for ww2 by the time I'm finished with this diorama.

Hans von Hammer

 

You could have two different types with the addition of a 30-rd mag on one of them and the 20-rd on the other... Visually and for modeling purposes,  that's the only difference between the semi-auto M1 and the select-fire M2...

If one IS an M2, then please consider the time period in which you are placing the carbine.

The M2 was only entering mass production in April 1945 and the 30 round magazine was developed at the same time as the M2.

Because there are 15 round magazine pouches on the carbines, I am presuming both are M1 versions.

I'm not certain of the long pouches resting between rolled blankets in top center; they look a bit long for the 30 round M2 magazines.

Sprue-ce Goose

 

 

 

If one IS an M2, then please consider the time period in which you are placing the carbine.

The M2 was only entering mass production in April 1945 and the 30 round magazine was developed at the same time as the M2.

Because there are 15 round magazine pouches on the carbines, I am presuming both are M1 versions.

I'm not certain of the long pouches resting between rolled blankets in top center; they look a bit long for the 30 round M2 magazines.

 

Okay I'm a bit confused then. I shouldn't use both rifles in the diorama I'm doing? If not, which should I use?

Sprue-ce Goose

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I'm not certain of the long pouches resting between rolled blankets in top center; they look a bit long for the 30 round M2 magazines.

 

The long pouch you refer to is a generic ammo bag. It was used to hold grenades, SMG magazines, etc. Primarily carried as a over the shoulder type pouch

Robh22

Was wondering if anyone could ID the two rifles in the picture here for me so I can find some pics for painting purposes. I'm pretty sure the machine gun is a Thompson, but the two rifles, I have no clue.

 

 

Thanks

Rob

They look like M-1 Carbines with magazine pouches on the regular stock.

In WW II , The paratroopers had a version with a collapsable metal tube stock.

Here's some photos of the two versions I found on a Bing search. Just click on the links, and it should take you to the page.

http://www.historydocumented.com/2009/03/07/m1-carbine/  shows both stock versions, also has useful historical info.

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/M1_Carbine/  Showing both versions, in a full on side view. Also tells how the M-1 Carbines were normally used in combat situations

http://www.357magnum.dk/index.asp?get=galleri  Photo gallery of different wepons. M-1 Carbine is 2nd from right, first row. This may be the best photo for you, as it shows the color of the magazine poutches.

Thank you for the links. They have great pics for painting and your right, some great history and info on the weapons.

The bags in the picture I posted above, what color would you say those are painted? Perhaps its just the way I'm seeing them but, it kinda looks like Tamiya's Field Blue, only lightened a bit. Was wondering what color you thought they all were.

Thanks again!

Rob

Having worked in a surplus store once upon a time I have seen and owned quite a few pieces of old gear. Prior to 1945 or so, most canvas and web gear was in a yellowish khaki shade that started out with an olive tint when new and got lighter and yellower with age and fading. Tamiya's Khaki is good for brand new gear and lighten it and Humbrol Mid Stone or Ochre good for aged gear. Gear made in 1945 and after was in a darker olive green/olive drab color. As it fades, depending on the dye batch it gets lighter with either dark olive green or olive brown hues. I dont know of any Army issue gear that was blue.

Thank you! I will pick up those colors. I think I need only 1 or two of them, have to check my paint supply. The blue I have isn't really a blue, it's more of a 'slate' color so to speak. I never seem to get the right paints when I go out to the hobby shop. I'll buy three or four different bottles of paint and it always turns out I need a different shade or something. I dunno, maybe it's my eyes and I'm having issues with colors. Either way, lol, it sucks. I have to get figures too so I can flesh out my scene a bit. I have bits and pieces of the scene kind of put out on a hunk of plywood so I can see how it's going to look. And I think I like it. uyjhnbjia;ilead daeaaaaa.. <----omg..my cat just jumped up on the keyboard and then walked across my layout of the diorama on the desk!!!!!! It's a good thing I love this kitten.

argh, off to fix this mess...again, it looks like Godzilla wrecking Japan. *sigh*

Robh22

 

 

 

Okay I'm a bit confused then. I shouldn't use both rifles in the diorama I'm doing? If not, which should I use?

Sorry for the confusion.

In that scale, the only way a carbine could possibly be identified as an M2 is by using a long 30 round magazine.

The photo of the resin kits that you posted doesn't show a magazine attached to the carbines.

So long as your carbines either have a straight 15 round magazine or no magazine you do not need to worry about what model carbine is being used or the time period in which you place your carbines.

here is a link which compares what the carbines look like with 15 and 30 round magazines

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php/M1_Carbine

In my personal opinion, the color of U.S. Gov. issue O.D. Green is a toss-up.  Like mentioned before, there are many,many different shades due to fading. I can't post photos of it right now, but I have a backpack that I used for most of my time in Junior High that came from the surplus store. It was originaly a dark-medium O.D. green, but now, it's more of a tanish color (is "tanish" a real word?)  I don't use "recommended" model colors, perfering to use craft-store acrylics, and hardware store spray-can paints (Spray cans for regular painting and priming, Acryllics for brush painting and wethering) I have made some different shades of Olive Drab paint for projects (admittedly, I have only used them for 3 kits: an MRC Bell H-47 M*A*S*H evac, a Revell M*A*S*H Jeep and tent scene and a Revell M*A*S*H Triage scene with an M-35) and they have turned out great. Just had to make sure that I sealed the paint good before wethering.

I hope you can rebuild the scene after "Godzilla" came

Good luck.

P.S.  Don't take this as me dictating your masterpiece, but how about a recomendation? From the gear in the picture, it would look good as stowage on a vehicle like a Jeep or on a camp scene. Then again, the stuff would look good on the back of a Sherman rolling over a German MG nest.

But, whatever you want. It's your boat, make it float like you want it.

Actually one of the kits I'm doing for this Dio is a commando jeep, the 2nd vehicle (they are coming in a line on the road next to the farm) will be the 6x6 cargo truck. This one:

I wasn't going to use all the stuff in the stowage box as it seemed to me to be way to much. I was going to pick and choose. I think starting soon I will post pictures of the dio as it's coming along so you all can see what I see. :) And no please, I welcome everyone's 2 cents. SInce this is my first trip down the military road I can use all the help I can get.

I think you all will like the actual subject of my dio, as I don't think I've seen it posted here before (well, from what I've seen in the short time I've been here lol). So it's something different. Who knows, you all may hate it. I hope not though.

The truck has alot of accessories so I don't think I will need much of the stowage kit I did get. I think it's always good to have extra things for the 'spare parts box' so when I do need it..I can just grab it. But I did want to use a few parts from that kit. The bag with the wine and bread, a few of the bags..you'll see.

And if you have any more suggestions, please, tell me.

Thanks!

Rob

Well, O.K. if you insist on my 2 cents.  May I sugest, to make the scene a little more interesting, mabe some sort of low wall, or an open door in the farmhouse, hiding some German troops, lying in wait to ambush the convoy? Not exactly the best thing for the soldiers (and completely upholing if your an american patriot) but, it happened all the time in WW II. If I understand from your recent post, it sounds like you want to model the truck as 1/2 empty (or full?) with equipment. That sounds good, but if my past knowledge of WWII serves right, then I beleave the Redball Express tried to squeeze every pound of capacity out of the Duce and a half trucks that came through, so I would recommend something like troops catching a ride to the next camp. I beleave that they would do that. Soldiers back then got rides by almost any means.

http://www.skylighters.org/redball/index.html  a page on the Redball Express

http://www.jcs-group.com/military/war1941army/etoredball.html Some more information on the Redball express. Also has an offer on a book for sale if you are interested.

http://www.relics.org.uk/shop.php?viewcategory=108&phpsessid=a04f33f45ac5f92057679b52636fc943 A comertial website specializing in selling military crates. It should give you a ballpark idea on differant crate designs and colors. It's no fun to stare at all-wood color crates in the back of a truck. Also has other things for sale,too.

http://rallypointmilitaria.com/page/10  Another website selling WWII items. Also has useful refrence. This page has a C-Ration crate, if you can handle a brush good enough to give it a shot.

http://ima.usa.com  One of my favorite military memorabilia websites. Specialises in wepon parts and tools, and clothing mainly, but it is still good for refrence. You can also get tech manuals, maps, flags, and (1/1 scale) Axis helmet stencils too.

http://www.serviceofsupply.com/ReproWWIIPaperItems.htm  Another website specializing in replica WWII supplies. Mainly paper products like cardboard boxes and life insurance forms. Real interesting to look at those policies, I tell you.

Railfan 233

 

http://www.serviceofsupply.com/ReproWWIIPaperItems.htm  Another website specializing in replica WWII supplies. Mainly paper products like cardboard boxes and life insurance forms. Real interesting to look at those policies, I tell you.

 

Accually, I lied about this link... It's accually the paperwork and paper carton page of a reenactment supplier. They have just about everything you need, though, if you and your friends want to recreate a camp at a public event. Sorry about the nisinformation.

You haven't seen my mock up board yet, it has a low wall, it has a barn/farm building. It has a well, it has trees and rocks and grass and more I have a nice tree stump with an axe in it and nice piles of wood around that look like it has been chopped up. I have a farmers cart with hay in it next to the barn..so I do have all those items, plus many more. I have animals that I'm already working on to be in the barn and outside the barn, wandering a bit.. But the subject of the scene is something different..let me get the pictures up and you will understand I just wanted the scene to look halfway decent before I put them up. 

Since it's my first time doing this, I'm kinda being very critical on myself and nothing that I've done so far is good enough for me.. I looked into the Redball express(a few days back) and I was actually looking into the model itself, but it was to expensive now that it is OOP. So I can't go that route, so I will just use the 6 x 6. I actually like that model and I like the upgrade they have for it. So I will get that as well.

Thank you for the links, I will read them closely. I'll give a shout when I put up the picks of the mock board so you can see what I'm up to.

Thanks again!

Rob

I'll be waiting for the pictures.

One more hint for now: Don't be too critical of yourself. The photo you posted earlier of the 6x6 is exelent. Even I can't get something to look that good! My hat goes off to you.

 One thing I have learned: Never be critical of yourself that nothing (even the real thing) looks good enough. That's what life is full of: variety. However, if you want to win an IMPS award, then I guess there's no sutch thing as "too good"

Here's a photo of one of my favorite locomotives (model railroading is my other hobby) that I wethered a while back. Not taking into acount the background, the model itself doesn't look as great as it could. But, if you searched on the internet for photos of wethered CSX GP 38-2 s operating in Florida, you could possibly find a photo of an accual locomotive that looks almost exactly as mine does.

http://neflarailmodelbuilder.yolasite.com/weathered-models.php

Again, I'm looking foward to seeing photos of your scene. As I said earlier, it's your boat. float it like you want it.

I love the trains! You know, I never really appreciated all the detail work on the trains folks have done until I started working with the military models. Now the whole miniature world is taking on a whole new perspective for me. Like I said, I have done the large scale vinyl horror/sci-fi figures and love those, but now, the whole mini world of mini's is really something to look at and appreciate.

Do you have more pictures of trains up anywhere?

Robh22

I love the trains! You know, I never really appreciated all the detail work on the trains folks have done until I started working with the military models. Now the whole miniature world is taking on a whole new perspective for me. Like I said, I have done the large scale vinyl horror/sci-fi figures and love those, but now, the whole mini world of mini's is really something to look at and appreciate.

Do you have more pictures of trains up anywhere?

Well, I have plenty of photos, but my camera is the dumbest luck on my side of the Rio Grande or Mississippi when it comes to technology. I havn't had any more luck for photos on my website other than those 3 (I do, however, have an article under the page Useless Ramblings that has some photocopies off of a T-shirt, and a drawing of an F-45 locomotive, which I will like to use for a custom paint scheme on my own F-45)

I'll try to get some more photos up soon, seing as to how you like them. I don't have a perminant railroad layout set-up, which explains the 65-foot hemostats in the background (I don't know if that is spelled right. Medical terms are almost impossible for me to get right)

So, my "Train Score" is 2 people influenced by my work (You and my friend). I'll let you know when I get any more photos done.