SEARCH FINESCALE.COM

Enter keywords or a search phrase below:

Creating a Transparant figure.

1591 views
12 replies
1 rating 2 rating 3 rating 4 rating 5 rating
  • Member since
    April 2008
  • From: Philadelphia PA
Creating a Transparant figure.
Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, November 15, 2010 3:01 PM

Ok, this is going to be odd but I have a project in mind and it would require a translucent/transparent figure.

Think the predator in the movies, where it is visible but invisible.

I know its impossible to paint a figure like that so I was thinking, would it be better to;

A - make a figure in the pose I want, buy a vacuform machine or make one or something, and vacuform it into clear plastic

 

or

 

B - Get a mold making kit, make a mold if the figure and then use clear resin, ala the water effects, for it?

 

  • Member since
    December 2002
  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, November 15, 2010 3:26 PM

Here again, a box diorama with a limited/restricted viewing angle is the order of the day. Get the figure you want and paint it to closely match the backdrop. Alternatively, use a a one way mirror to get the reflection where you want the figure. Nothing is going to be clear enough to replicate the Predator's defenses. You could not vacuform a figure with enough cut backs and even the clearest of resins will not give you a super clear figure.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

  • Member since
    April 2008
  • From: Philadelphia PA
Posted by smeagol the vile on Monday, November 15, 2010 3:33 PM

Well, its not really predator but if I said what it really was you wouldnt know.  I wana try and replicate one of the 'Crimson Dragoons' from Fallout 3's Operation Anchorage DLC.  Basicly a Chinese Special Ops/Sniper in a suit that allows for cloaking.

Thats a screenshot of the armor in use, you can BARLEY see, so its alot less visible then the predator's...

 

Ill be honest ajl, Im not sure what you mean by using mirrors.

Hmmm... if I would give that a try where would one go to get the resin/mold making stuff, the material and release agent and such.  I know micromark sells them but they are expensive.

 

  • Member since
    January 2009
  • From: Central CA
Posted by Division 6 on Monday, November 15, 2010 3:38 PM

To get a bubble free casting in clear it would have to be preasure cast.

In reference to the mirror thing look at the article in Shepherd Paines Diorama book.

  • Member since
    April 2008
  • From: Philadelphia PA
Posted by smeagol the vile on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:17 AM

I dont have shep paine's book...

 

So I am basicly hearing that this idea cant be done without some serious machines.  I am thinking of trying to do a camo where I just paint it as the ground scheme, because it would be a snow base, so just all white, more or less.  gona test it out on some test stuff first

 

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Green Bay, WI USA
Posted by echolmberg on Tuesday, November 16, 2010 9:35 AM

Apply a clear coat to it.  That'll make it be clear.

No need to thank me,

Eric

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2008
  • From: Wherever the hunt takes me
Posted by Boba Fett on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 4:37 PM

smeagol the vile

I dont have shep paine's book...

 

So I am basicly hearing that this idea cant be done without some serious machines.  I am thinking of trying to do a camo where I just paint it as the ground scheme, because it would be a snow base, so just all white, more or less.  gona test it out on some test stuff first

 

Find it on Google Books.

 

Smoothcast makes the best clear resin, but bubble-free is hard. My thought would it has to be forced perspective, and paint the figure in the colors of the background. The problem is the painting will be EXTREMELY hard.

  • Member since
    April 2008
  • From: Philadelphia PA
Posted by smeagol the vile on Wednesday, November 17, 2010 5:06 PM

Yea, Im thinking of forgoing this idea for the time being and just do a large scale version of the Fallout Pre war power armor then I was going to.

 

  • Member since
    November 2006
  • From: Castro Valley.CA
Posted by TheLastPriest on Friday, November 19, 2010 9:51 AM

I want to see pics, I love me some Fallout, cant wait for all the high res texture pack mods to get released for New Vegas, my poor 5870 is not getting the workout it deserves

It is only the intellect that keeps me sane; perhaps this makes me overvalue intellect against feeling

  • Member since
    September 2009
Posted by Cobra 427 on Friday, November 19, 2010 10:43 AM

Oh, no! He we go again - " let's put floor polish on our models!"  No!!!!! LET'S NOT, AND SAY WE NEVER DID!!  Paint, books, - listen, you don't need any of this to make a model that should be translucent. The end result is only as good as the sculpt. You can make a similar version to what you see, but it won't be exact since the resin itself is glossy, and will reflect light, and you can't paint it, or even clear coat it with a flat paint without it being seen more than you desire. WWW.SMOOTHON.COM I know their prices are high, but you can get the resin in smaller amounts. If you don't want to buy from there - WWW.TAPPLASTICS.COM may be your answer. They sell silicone mould resin, and  epoxy which can be moulded, and it will be clear enough to represent your character. Their prices are reasonable too!

Just remember, with clear plastics, you don't want a lof of detail, as all this makes it more appearant to the eye - less detail with the basic shape is what you want - little, or no ripple to reflect light waves.  A satin finish won't help, as this too, will define the surface, and detract from its' translucence. With a clear surface it will still reflect light but it will allow more light rays to pass through it than a satin, or flat finish will. Make sure your model is as smooth as glass on the outside - this will determine the surface quality of the mould, and resulting cast. Lacquer makes for an excellent finish, but wait 3 minutes between coats for a smooth finish, and sray evenly over the master you're using to make a mould with. The model will only be as good as the master, so do it right the first time - otherwise it could be costly!

                                                                                  ~ Cobra Chris

Maybe a picture of a squirrel playing a harmonica will make you feel better?

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2010
Posted by Bocks Suv on Friday, November 26, 2010 8:01 AM

Why bother? Seems like a lot of work with little result. Consider making a new character or dio that captures the action, technology and awe. Utilize the  viewers' imagination (and yours) to fill in some of the blanks. Otherwise, w/o complex molds and materials, you'll probably end up with something that looks like  wrinkled Saran Wrap holding a toy gun.  

  • Member since
    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Saturday, December 25, 2010 6:14 PM

Smeagal:Wish I'd seen this a month ago. Well, I'm a day late and a dollar short but maybe this will be of some use. Embarrassed

I think what AJ was referring to is the 'Pepper's Ghost' effect. You can use a shadow box, a piece of Plexiglas, a light source, and a figure. Set up in the right way you can have the figure project a semi-solid see-though effect. Disney uses this in their 'Haunted Mansion' ride as well as many haunted houses.

Wikipedia Article

Excellent Diagram

There are several more videos on You-Tube but this seemed to be the best.

You-Tube Demo Video

If you use a variable resister to change the light levels you can even have the figure fade in or out at the turn of a dial! 

Transformation Box

Just drop 'Pepper's Ghost' in your favorite search engine and you'll get plenty of results.

I'm tempted to try to build my own shadow box now. Sorry that I really didn't answer your question on transparent figures but I think this might both give more of the effect you're looking for as well as being easier to build.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

JOIN OUR COMMUNITY!

Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.

SEARCH FORUMS
FREE NEWSLETTER
By signing up you may also receive reader surveys and occasional special offers. We do not sell, rent or trade our email lists. View our Privacy Policy.