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Toy Biz Wolverine
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 12:23 AM
Hello everyone , well this is my first post in the figure forum so please be patient .

I originally posted in the Sci-Fi forum and only after a couple replies found out that I was in the wrong place .

Ok , so I'm building the Toy Biz Wolverine figure and this is my actual first figure of this size . It's molded in a yellow plastic and so I started by doing the usual , sanding , fitting and thats where the problems began as soon as I finished with the sanding I realized the Censored [censored] thing was going to have fit problems OH BOY ! so I took out the white putty and went to work , problem 1 - HUGE GAPS , wow I have never seen a model this bad , made me want to call Toy Biz and tell them that there models are Censored [censored] anyway I got through all that and 3 days later it looks like it could be a good model once built, so here starts problem 2- primer , ok the models molded yellow but I still like to prime my models , so it being yellow I thought a light ghost grey ???? so I primed it and tried to then sand out imperfections and then a second coat of primer , let it dry over night and the following day was ready to paint . So I use testors Model Master Acryls ( I dont have much choice here ) and I start to hand brush the head , well heres problem 3 - the primer is showing through the paint , I'm doing the yellow parts first , hand painting the finer stuff , airbrushing the bigger stuff .

I need help Ashamed [*^_^*] I don' t know what I'm doing wrong ???? and ideas helpful hints ??????

Sorry this was so long
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 12:40 AM
1.) Toy-Biz is out of business if you look at any of their kits you will know why.
(Missing parts, horrible fitting, etc)
2.) Not familiar with the primer and paints you use, can't comment on them.
3.) You can brush paint Figure kits, with one exception Skin-colour this is best airbrushed on.

Here is my process for painting figure kits(mostly anime/resin but will work for others too).

1.) I normally use a white primer, you will see why in a second.
1a.) Might second coat with Mr Base white.
2.) I mask the eyes and other areas and apply Flesh colour(mix your own differrent recipes for different genre and skin-tones).
3.) Apply a topcoat, this will protect your colours from mistakes and allow you to correct mistakes without touching the existing colour.
4.) Start painting your Kit and mask/topcoat as you go along, I go from light to darker colours. Lighter colours on top of the white basecoat.
5.) Last parts to be painted are the eyes, a habit I picked up over here.
6.) Hit the whole figure with a flat coat and pick out certain details with a gloss coat.

Using a White primer(Mr Base white) allows me NOT to use white on a figure and colours like yellow, red, etc. will get a brighter shine from it too.
For dark figures(aka matrix), creatures, etc I use gray or black primer.

Most colours can be touched up, Flesh I consider NOT among them.
Flesh is also a tough colour to handbrush on larger scale Items 1/12 and above you WILL benefit from any form of airbrush here. El Cheapo with canned air will do.

Another tip for filling tough fitting plastic figure kits, roll Putty(2 strip) into thin line and apply it to the poor fitting areas prior to joining, push/glue the parts togerther while the Putty is still moist. Excess will be squeezed our of the joint, Wipe excess off smooth with appropriate liquid for your putty and let dry. Remove seams as normal. Sand smooth when dry.

Advise for future:
Avoid Toybiz Kits like the plague.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 1:14 AM
Thank you that is great advice , wish I knew or thought about the white as a primer before I started Banged Head [banghead] ok the paints I'm using are a water based , does that help ? and now how can I strip the paint off to re-start ?

Thanks
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 1:19 AM
Hi.

The colours you are using shouldn't make a difference, acrylics will take multiple thin layers to get good coverage.
If you really want bright colours use transparent ones on top of the white. Wink [;)]

As for stripping paint go here:

http://www.bonediggers.com/1-3/strip/strip.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 1:38 AM
Big Smile [:D] SWEET Big Smile [:D] I have the EAZY-OFF , Now without trying to sound dumb is there a recommended white primer that you would suggest ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 3, 2004 1:42 AM
There are many good ones out there, not too familiar with many of them.

Most of the times I use either Tamiya or Gunze Sangyo(Can & Bottle), all of them have resulted in good finishes. But those might be pricey where you are.

Some people use automotive primers too.

Best wait for someone around your area to advise you on supplies.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 2:45 AM
Yeah I'll ask the guys at the hobby shop and see what they'd suggest as far as the primer goes .

Any other tips ???

Thanks ,

Walt
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 3:23 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SewerRat
Any other tips ???


I would prefer it if you asked direct questions. Got plenty of tips but don't know if they will apply to your kit or needs.
Wink [;)]
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 4:28 PM
Dunce [D)] DOH !

Sorry about that , well this is my first figure , it's an intrest I'm wanting to learn as I've seen some very good looking work and the amount of detail blows me away , I usually build Star Wars or WW2 stuff but the figures I've seen makes me feel like I'm missing out .

So , I don't even know where to begin ????
What figures would you recommend for a beginer ( figures )
Can I use pastal chalks on figures or would it be better to use something else ?

I'm sure I'll ask more questions as I think of them .

P.S.
Thanks for the patience
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, February 4, 2004 5:13 PM
If you seriously want to get into larger scale figure kits, than I guess your road will lie with the Vinyl and Resin Kits.

Here the road splits into 2 different routes again:
1.) Western kits mostly horror, Fantasy, movie based and realistic.
2.) Asian(Japanese) Kits which are more Anime & Game based, some realistic stuff but pretty OOP due to recasting.

For starters I think Vinyl Kits are best, easy to assemble, fairly cheap and few parts.
Resin and especially anime kits can be rather intimidating the first time round.

If you go the western route, may I recommend a list called "Gremlins in the Garage" members there are from kit makers, magazine publishers to plain builders. Very knowledgeable and friendly bunch.

If you got the Anime route, there is not much out there that is good and NOT in japanese, you are pretty much on your own there. I know I struggled a lot.

You can go for plastic kits like the old Halycons but fit will be poor and you will need to spend a lot of time filling gaps and sanding.
I got a Halycon Predator 2 sitting around for 2+yrs which I pick up at times to do some more cleanup.

Pastel Chalks are also refered to as the "poor man's airbrush", the most common method is to grind it into powder, apply and smoothen it out.
of course there are other methods too. Wink [;)]

Most techniques that you are used to can be used on Figure(both Vinyl & Resin Kits), secret to good building is:
1.) Surface preparation.
2.) Good prinmed surface

Remember once a Kit is primed the underlying material does NOT matter anymore as you are painting on top of the primer and NOT Plastic, Vinyl or Resin.

My suggestion would be pick up a few mags and visit "Gremlins in the garage", check their forum and the site. Joining is free, and you can read the forums but need to join in order to post.

Hope this helps.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 12:19 AM
Actually your advice helps me a lot . And I don't mean to keep taking up your time but just a couple more questions .

Are resin kits hard to work with ?
meaning that , is there a lot of preperation in them just to get started ?

Are resin kits better than vinyl as far as detail ?

Is there special steps in prepareing a resin kit ?

The reason I'm asking is because I have an idea for a diaroma using an unbuilt Slave 1 and a 1/6 resin Boba Fett or Jango Fett , both figures are resin and also I have never worked with resin before .

Also I use pastel chalks as a added detail , lol I also own a few airbrushes , I just got a new Iwata HP-C ( upgradeing from an aztek metal ) and I'm itching to use it on a good model project .

Thanks ,

Walt

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 12:31 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SewerRat
Are resin kits hard to work with ?
meaning that , is there a lot of preperation in them just to get started ?


Yes, they do need a fair amount of surface preparation, most of which will be filling pinholes, removing mold-lines, drilling holes for metal pins, etc.

QUOTE:
Are resin kits better than vinyl as far as detail ?


Yes, Resin can hold sharper detail than vinyl, partially due to the material and partially due to the casting process.
Resin is cast in silicone or RTV molds a soft rubbery substance.
Vinyl is poured into a metal mold, left to settle on the mold walls for a bit and pulled out while still warm and softish and set aside for cooling.
Resin usually is cast in solid chunks(hollow casts to exists), whereas vinyl is hollow and should be filled with either resin or plaster of paris.

QUOTE:
Is there special steps in preparing a resin kit ?


Most of it will be with surface preparation and pinning the Kit.

QUOTE:
The reason I'm asking is because I have an idea for a diaroma using an unbuilt Slave 1 and a 1/6 resin Boba Fett or Jango Fett , both figures are resin and also I have never worked with resin before .


Really depends on the kit and how many parts there are, I have build Figures with as little as 6 parts or as much as 50.

Who made those Resin Kits?? I might know the producer/sculptor or know someone that can help get you in touch with him and point out possible problem areas.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 1:14 AM
Well I just went to check , it was being sold on e-bay through an online store , and well the person is no longer a registered user and is no longer on e-bay .

Damn I really wanted to do that , oh and by the way it was a vynil kit sorry , I thought it was resin .

Ok do you know of any Boba Fett or Jango kits ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 1:29 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SewerRat
Damn I really wanted to do that , oh and by the way it was a vynil kit sorry , I thought it was resin .


No, problem. I suspected something like this.

QUOTE:
Ok do you know of any Boba Fett or Jango kits ?


The only Boba Fett 1/6 Kits I know of are:
1.) The old Kaiyodo Vinyl kit now long gone, I think they also did a limited (30) Resin version of the same kit.
2.) Seven Stars 1/6 Resin kit

Other scale(Boba Fett):
1.) Screamin did a 1/4 Vinyl Kit
2.) Kaiyodo had a 1/15 Resin kit
3.) Red baron offered a 1/12 Resin Kit called Boba Feet

AFAIK, there are no Jango kits out, btw there is a difference in the suits between Bobba and Jango(same suit but mods been done).

Screamin and Kaiyodo stopped producing Kits quiet a few years ago.

Of the Kits I believe the Kaiyodo ones were the best ones, that is if you can find an original kit.
Don't hold your breath for any new kits to appear, most of the good Kit makers been driven out of the business by the recasters or are now doing pre-paints and action figs of their old kits..
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 1:47 AM
Ok so the best chance I have is to try and find one on ebay then ?

This would be so much easier if I only knew how to sculpt .

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 1:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SewerRat

Ok so the best chance I have is to try and find one on ebay then ?


You can try there, a few kits pop up from time to time make sure that it is an original though and not a copy.

QUOTE:
This would be so much easier if I only knew how to sculpt .


The only way to find out if you can is to try, like any skill it needs to be learned.
There are a few mailing lists run by professional sculptors that give advise and online lessons.

Check here:
http://www.waynethedane.bizland.com/

Very nice guy and always willing to help and give advise.
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Also check his links page, they will lead you to a few specialised forums and mailing lists.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 5, 2004 2:00 AM
Do the forums have any kind of wanted listings ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, February 7, 2004 7:13 AM
Walt,

I've only scanned over this thread, but all of the advice I've seen so far looks spot on. I haven't noticed any wanted listings around here. For another source of figure kit information, and swap and sell listings, here's another BB you might want to check out:
http://theclubhouse1.net/

As for the Kaiyodo 1/6 Boba Fett kit, it was distributed in the U.S. by Screamin' kits. If you're going to look for it on eBay or one of the other auction sites you might want to search under both manufacturers.

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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, February 17, 2004 5:05 AM
Yep, everthing looks right on to me in this thread. I havent built many resin but alot of vinyl and plastics! When it comes to plastic figure modeling expect to do some filling. I sometimes put shreaded clothing made of tissue paper on my figure kits to hide pesky seams and such! I have that same Predator 2 in a shoe box in my closet that I have pulled out from time to time over that past 15yrs or so! Welcome to the world of sci-fi and figure building.
The armor guys just don't know how good they have it. i try to tell 'em but they ignore the little Martian.LOL Most all sci fi kits have flash and poor fit and then the better ones you have to pay out the wazoo for! Some of the oldest armour and aircraft kits are nearly flash free. I had never really seen a truely flash-free kit [that wasn't a japanese robot] till I started military kits a few months ago.Disapprove [V]
The Captain America kit is pretty good for a plastic dio kit. i built it for a friend.
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, February 23, 2004 3:33 AM
MartianGundamModeler

Well I've since put the wolverine on hold , HA HA HA . I guess I'll be doing the samething your doing with the predator , take him out every once and a while and work on him here and there , I am building an AMT Alien and so far so good , had to fill in a lot of gaps and do a heck of a lot of sanding but as far as an inexpensive kit goes it's coming around , I almost gave up on that one too . I almost gave up on it tonight as a matter of fact , my metal aztek blew up and well paint went everywhere and I thought the kit was ruined , but I pulled out my itwata hp-c and went to work and well I saved it , kindda . so anyway I'm learning , ny next project after this is either a slave 1 or a cheap ol' gundam I got for 3 bucks .
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Monday, February 23, 2004 6:13 AM
Is that Alien kit the warrior with the egg base?
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:40 AM
no it's just the Alien , I'm building a base from a piece of tile and spackle , don't know yet what I'm going to do with the base ??? any ideas ?
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Friday, February 27, 2004 12:38 AM
I'll have to think on that one...so many posibilties. You cound try building a spaceship corridor or space ship wall/floor combo from sheet styrene [or equvalent] and bits from the parts box.
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by 2000-redrider on Friday, February 27, 2004 1:13 AM
Sure while Toy Biz models aren't the best, some can be built up fairly well. It may take some work, but making a good model out of a bad kit shows modeling skills. Skills that have to be learned. So why not learn on a inexpensive Toy Biz kit instead of on some high priced resin or vinyl kit. I've built their Spiderman, Hulk, the Thing, and Venom, all of which turned out well. I also have a unfinished Wolverine and I must admit it's the worst of the bunch. So while I couldn't fault anyone for giving up on the their Wolverine kit, I don't think you should totally give up on Toy Biz kits.
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Tuesday, March 2, 2004 11:53 PM
Yeah, I really enjoyed the Capt. America/Red Skull one even though I don't particularly care for Cap. How is the Thing one? I have a vinyl one of him from way back that I love.
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 8:59 AM
I've been working on and off on the Wolverine , I'm sure that I'll get it done , not too sure on how it'll look once done , I might revert back to childhood and take a magnifier to it HA HA , but seriously like the saying goes " anything worth doing takes effort " so I just pluck away at it .
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Posted by 2000-redrider on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 10:57 AM
The Thing kit is pretty good. It's a quick build and easy to paint. Filling the seams to match the rock pattern was a bit challenging, but not too bad.

SewerRat, good to hear you haven't given up. You may just inspire me to finish my Wolverine.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 3, 2004 3:33 PM
I'm building the toy biz Thor kit right now, and it has some pretty nasty gaps. The head assembly seems to be the worst, as it is constructed of three different pieces leaving gaps between the hair and face. It may be tough filling it with the putty i have so i may try some sculpting clay, but other than that it sems to be a decent kit, you may want to give it a try if you are plannng on building anyother Toy Biz figures.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 7:35 AM
I also have the Venom kit , but I'm affraid to even open it after all the problems with Wolvie ? don' t know I'm gonna have to finish it someday .
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 4, 2004 2:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by SewerRat

I also have the Venom kit , but I'm affraid to even open it after all the problems with Wolvie ? don' t know I'm gonna have to finish it someday .


If you want to trade the Venom for something e-mail me.
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