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Captured Iraqi Tanker & the guys with the guns - New Pants - 8/18

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Captured Iraqi Tanker & the guys with the guns - New Pants - 8/18
Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, July 25, 2012 12:29 PM

I am moving into the figure phase of an Iraqi Enigma dio so I "figured' I would start a WIP thread here for any suggestions along the way. Some of these pics are already in the armor section but I think I will move forward here.  Suggestions and critiques most welcome.

"me with my bincolulars" converted to "Don't shoot!!"

The 1st of several captures

And the 1st crack at the DBDU.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Wednesday, July 25, 2012 1:57 PM

Looking good so far.

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, July 28, 2012 11:29 PM

Thanks Gino

I got the camo done on one guy.  WOW talk about tedious.  Help from some of you figures guys... How do you put the shadows and highlights on multi color camo?

Same guy... with and w/o the weapon.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, July 29, 2012 7:41 AM

He looks really good.  The camo is really nice.  

Now the bad news...the figure you have used is not wearing "chocolate chip" DBDUs.  He is in a MOPP  suit which should be overall green.  They did not come in the chocolate chip camo.  The vest could still be DBDUs to add some variety.  

The boxtop pictures from the set you are using (Big Red One) is accurate.  The only figure wearing DBDUs is the kneeling guy probing for mines with a bayonett.  Follow the boxtop illustration and you will be good.

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:37 PM

Oh Gino... you just made me very sadCrying  Not really.  Glad the "chips" look good.  I'll consider that one practice for the crouching guy.  So he is the only guy good to go with the choco chips?  He will be up on the Enigma somewhere poking around the weird armor he's never seen before.  

 

Thanks for the input but it raises more questions…. Don’t what to have to repaint ‘em all.  

 

The guy on the far left is wearing the night parka correct?  I have an idea to try using linen pattern decals for WWI birds to replicate the pattern in the parka.  Pants appear to be the woodland pattern I have found pics of online… yes?

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, July 29, 2012 2:54 PM

Yes, the guy on the left is wearing the Night Desert Parka.  He has it over the MOPP 2 suit which came in woodland camo.  The black guy on the right is also wearing the MOPP 2 suit.  

The issue with the kneeling guy is that he is wearing the DBDUs and the rest are in MOPP suits.  All soldiers wore the MOPP suits for the 100 hours of the ground war since the threat of chemical attack was high.  They didn't go back down to just the DBDUs until after we had routed the Iraqis and they had left Kuwait.  This was shortly after the cease-fire was declared on 28 FEB '91.

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Posted by wing_nut on Sunday, July 29, 2012 3:15 PM

Again thanks.  Dunno if you can tell but I want some chocolate chip in the somewhere.  OK,,, so the couching guys is out..  I'll stick with  the vest and the helmets... if that works.  I am not usually ta stickler for accuracy but as long as you are steering me... I'll turn.

Speaking of helmets... On the box cover they all have bands around them.  When I them... all the shots of just a helmet show that as a cover as I assumed it was.  But.. the guys in the filed it appears there is a band.  One or the other or dealers choice?

I have noticed that, regardless of the wrong camo, the finished figure does not have the "bulk" of what the real guys looked like. Not even the bulk of the box cover.

Ya know... this reminds me of a conversation about when does a base become a dio.  I think I am walking that line now.

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, July 29, 2012 8:46 PM

Yes, there should be a band on all the helmets.  It is a cloth cover and can be a little loose. The elastic band snugs it down.

These figures are a little thin.  They are some of Dragon's earliest figures.  They will look pretty good when done up though.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, July 30, 2012 6:53 AM

This is getting to be a habit but thanks Gino.  I went searching for MOPP, more just to find out what they are more than anything else, and came across a nice comparison of US figures on Armorama.  From March of this year.  Why was I not surprised to discover it was you telling it like it is over there too.Wink

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Posted by bbrowniii on Monday, July 30, 2012 11:20 AM

HeavyArty
The issue with the kneeling guy is that he is wearing the DBDUs and the rest are in MOPP suits.  All soldiers wore the MOPP suits for the 100 hours of the ground war since the threat of chemical attack was high.  They didn't go back down to just the DBDUs until after we had routed the Iraqis and they had left Kuwait.  This was shortly after the cease-fire was declared on 28 FEB '91

Ummm, I don't want to complicate your decision making process Wing_nut, but this is not entirely accurate. Well, that isn't right either - Gino is probably correct when he says all soldiers wore MOPP suits for the whole 100 hours. However, that is not the case with the Marines and, as was pointed out already, this set could work if you wanted to depict Marines instead of soldiers.

So here is the deal - many, but not all Marine units were in MOPP gear during the offensive, at least for the first day or so. By the second and third day, when things had pretty much turned into a route, you began to see a transition where some guys were not wearing the MOPP gear, or at least not all of it - so for example, you might see a guy wearing the MOPP trousers but not the blouse (since the assumption was that it was easier to get into the blouse than the trousers).

To further complicate things, you have units like my own. We were in the amphibious task force off the coast. On day 1, we were prepare do land on Kuwaiti beaches, but because things moved so fast in the first hours, we landed in northern Saudi then, rather than move north along the coast, we punched inland. For the next three and a half days we chased the front, trying to catch up to the lead forces who were moving so fast.

During this time we did not wear any MOPP gear. We kept it close to hand, but didn't wear it. By the fourth day, when we reached 'the front', the cease fire had gone into effect. We got redeployed back along the Kuwaiti/Saudi border to clear areas that had been missed in the push north. During those days (about 10), we also never wore our MOPP gear.

Of course, this still present you with a tough decision to make, because you are not likely (although it is not entirely our of the realm of possibility) to find a fireteam in which some of the guys are wearing MOPP and others not.

As an alternative, you could also consider setting this scene in or around Khafji. I'm pretty sure that the Iraqis used Enigmas there. I also know that it was a bit chaotic and you could use that confusion to explain the disparity in MOPP gear.

Or, you could take the simple route, and leave out the guy who is not in MOPP gear... Stick out tongue

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Posted by HeavyArty on Monday, July 30, 2012 11:39 AM

Yup, as in all things, there were a few exceptions.  But as you said...

"... this still present you with a tough decision to make, because you are not likely (although it is not entirely our of the realm of possibility) to find a fireteam in which some of the guys are wearing MOPP and others not."

So,as always, its up to you how you want to do them.

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, July 30, 2012 2:33 PM

YO Boyd... who said you could post here????  Couldn't you tell this was a private patry for me and Gino?Whistling

But seriously.  Thanks for the input from both of you. So the decision really is easy.  If all the guys would likely be in MOPP then the odd man out is the kneeling guy... so he's just ... well... out!  

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:48 PM

I sure would like this to be the last question but...

Box top shows the MOPP as green(ish)   Color chart on back shows it as grey.  The question sort of presents itselfWink

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:54 PM

DISREGARD>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I saw that you clearly said green Gino.  I just clearly didn't see it .Whistling

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:50 PM

With the help and advice from Gino, I think I goit it right not.  Well... as right as it's gonna beWink

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 8:21 PM

The chemical detector paper tape on the sleeve wrist and ankle should be a cardboard tan/brown color... and the boots rubber black, rubber OD green, or standard combat boots or jungle boots. The tan desert boots did not reach the line doggie troops for the most part until after the cease fire

Here is how full chem suit (MOPP 4) looks

 

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 10:20 PM

Thanks Stik.   That's easy enough t fix. (grumble, grumble)Wink

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, August 1, 2012 11:12 PM

Anytime buddy Stick out tongue

 

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Posted by wing_nut on Monday, August 6, 2012 11:27 AM

 I posted the finished base wth 3 figures in the armor section at the link below.

Thanks for all terrific info on the duds. 

http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/3/p/146823/1591733.aspx#1591733

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Posted by wing_nut on Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:55 AM

The guy with the parka has had his pants repainted in the woodland pattern.  I think he looks better.

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Posted by stikpusher on Saturday, August 18, 2012 1:54 PM

YesYes Great job on the chemical detector tape too Wink

 

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Posted by HeavyArty on Sunday, August 19, 2012 9:01 PM

The woodland MOPP 2 pants looks good.  A good way to add a bit of variety that was very present during ODS.

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Posted by wing_nut on Tuesday, August 21, 2012 7:10 AM

Stik, Gino... thanks guys.  It was a tough learning curve for a bit but worth the info in the end.

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