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Need help with Vietnam picture.
Posted by New Hampshire on Tuesday, May 6, 2014 7:12 PM

Hey everyone, I have a picture I could use some help with.  To start, here it is:

OK, so these are ROK troops from Vietnam.  I believe the picture is some time in 1966.  What I am hoping to do is roughly replicate this scenario.  Hornet makes heads that will be suitable, but it is the rest giving me problems.  The machine gun appears to be a Browning 1919, though the carry handle looks a bit odd.  If it is indeed just a standard 1919 then I know I can get my hands on a 1/35 tripod mounted 1919.  Worse case I scratch build the handle which does not look too complex.

Next, I need help finding figures themselves.  They appear to be wearing standard US early Vietnam uniforms, even looks like possibly US Korean war uniforms could work?  Basically I need a couple of 1/35 figures in this uniform type and in the general pose (kneeling/crouching or sitting).  As mentioned above, heads are not an issue, but the figures seem to be giving me fits.  I have tried Googling every combination of wording to try and get what I need, but I am not turning up much.

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:13 PM

Yup, that is a standard .30 cal Browning on a tripod mount. It looks to have the carrying handle of the bipod equipped LMG version with a shoulder stock. Hard to tell off of my phone screen here. Their uniforms may indeed be Korean War vintage HBT fatigues. You could get the Dragon Pusan Perimeter GIs set and go to work from there Frankensteining them to the poses you need.

 

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Posted by New Hampshire on Tuesday, May 6, 2014 8:33 PM

Thanks Stik, it looks like that figure set could work.  Even if I don't go the route like in the photo the Dragon figure set you mentioned is giving me other possible ideas for what I have in mind..... Cool

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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, May 6, 2014 9:38 PM

Glad that I could help out ;-)

 

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:57 AM
The tripod can be found in Academy's machine gun kit, the one with the several .50 styles and a couple .30's. A .30 with handle can be found in the Tamiya U.S. WW 2 equipment kit. This one has a shoulder stock, bipod and flash suppressor. A close look at your picture shows the gun does not have the shoulder stock.
If you are in the US, get back to me, I know I have the tripod and may vave the Tamiya .30 as well.

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Posted by ajlafleche on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:58 AM

I just saw who you are, so of course you're in the states!

I also checked my spares, I no longer have the Tamiya .30. Sad but there are handles on many of the DML modern MG's. Since the shoulder stock in not present, and there's no evidence of the flash suppressor in the photo, you could justify adding a handle from one of the DML guns to an Academy .30 and have your gun. Email me at ajlafleche@comcast.net. if I you need any of these parts. 

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 10:24 AM

Talk about  "Frankensteining", I saw a piece on the Military channel where the Marines fitted a few M1919's with M1 Garand butt stocks and made them more portable. Forgot which island campaign that was done at.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 11:08 AM
ajlafleche
The tripod can be found in Academy's machine gun kit, the one with the several .50 styles and a couple .30's. A .30 with handle can be found in the Tamiya U.S. WW 2 equipment kit. This one has a shoulder stock, bipod and flash suppressor. A close look at your picture shows the gun does not have the shoulder stock.
If you are in the US, get back to me, I know I have the tripod and may vave the Tamiya .30 as well.
It looks like they are doing weapon's maintenance, so they may have the butt plate removed to remove and clean the bolt, etc. Do an image search for "browning m-1919a6" and you will see photos of tripod mounted versions of the "light machine gun" version. Complete with bipod, flash hider, carry handle, and shoulder stock. I googled the a6 and apparently it was the bipod and carry handle were based off those on the BAR (go figure, another Browning design).

 

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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 5:59 PM

Heh heh, gotta love scale modeling.  Being a bit of a gun guy I knew a fair amount about the M1919 Browning, but am learning yet more. For example it could be the A5 version of the Browning in the picture since the A5 has the same style carry handle. Big Smile

, thanks for the offer.  For the moment I am still contemplating if I want to go forward on this project, so I would feel bad having you go through all the effort without knowing for sure if I proceed or not.  At the moment it looks like getting my hands on the figures is going to come at a bit of a price.  The cheapest I can find the figure set, after shipping, is around $17.  A bit pricey just to get my hands on two figures.  The only other option is to but the Cyber Hobby M48 Patton Korean War version which has the figures in the kit.  Hmmm....decisions decisions. Cool

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 6:44 PM
Get the Patton kit ;-) (insert pot stirring emoticon here)

 

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Posted by SuppressionFire on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:25 PM

This is a interesting picture. Regardless of the figures used you will have to chop them up to get the poses, also note how small the men are. the sleeves are rolled up and the fatigues are hanging off them. I would bet surplus Korean war or even WWII!

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Posted by New Hampshire on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 7:41 PM

stikpusher
Get the Patton kit ;-) (insert pot stirring emoticon here)

I would except that, believe it or not, the Korean "dragon" painted armor never did much for me.  It's just not natr'l on a piece o' armor. Big Smile

SuppressionFire, when I first saw the picture I did not believe it was from Vietnam at first.  You could easily at first glance swear it was Korean war.  But sure enough it was.  And then it kind of dawned on me that, yeah, it kind of makes sense.  You have to figure the ROK was awash in Korean surplus gear.  And 1966 isn't all that far from the end of the Korean war (hell, the US was still using Korean war vintage material early on in Vietnam!) Wink

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, May 7, 2014 9:00 PM

Not to mention the ARVN as well. They had surplus WWII stuff thru much if not most of the 60's. depending upon the status of the unit.

 

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Posted by New Hampshire on Thursday, May 8, 2014 6:29 AM

You have to hand it to the Vietnamese, both north and south, when war came to their doorstep they used anything and everything!

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 9, 2014 8:25 AM

Just wondering but was there any real difference between the late pattern WWII US uniform and the Korean War? Wasn't the Korean War uniform just stock drawn out of warehouses and reissued? In that case I'd figure any late WWII figure could serve as a donor?

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 9, 2014 11:09 AM

Yes, the initial stuff worn by US forces was just that, uniforms that came into service at the end of WWII: HBT fatigues, M1943 field jacket, pants, & boots. The Marines were still even wearing boondockers & leggings at Inchon. The first new gear seen in combat that was not in WWII was in winter 1950/51 with cold weather gear, with "fish tail" arctic parkas and pants, pile cap, as well as the field cap with ear flaps. After the first year of combat new uniforms and gear began to be introduced. M1951 Field Uniform, sateen cotton fatigues, combat boots, body armor, "micky mouse" boots.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 9, 2014 11:28 AM

Thanks SP, the improved new cold weather uniforms esp makes sense. I think I need more post WWII reference materials.

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 9, 2014 11:50 AM

The immediate post war cold weather gear, which had replaced and was a big improvement over the WWII cold weather gear, was found wanting in that first Korean Winter. Osprey makes some great books to use for reference in post WWII stuff. The late/post WWII stuff was designed in the aftermath of the Bulge, and that was the coldest campaign fought in Europe. Cold weather casualties were significant in that campaign. Korea was a whole new league and even more harsh in its' winter climate.

 

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Posted by Gamera on Friday, May 9, 2014 1:42 PM

Thanks SP, I've got a bunch of the Osprey books, guess I need to add a few more to the library!

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, May 9, 2014 3:01 PM

If you look for ones that cover a particular type of unit from that time period: US Army Rangers for example, you get a good coverage of uniforms & equipment used.

 

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