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Plesiosaur in 1:24 scale
Posted by modelnut on Saturday, April 15, 2017 8:50 PM

Ever since Pegasus Hobbies released their three 1:24 scale prehistoric model kits I have become obsessed with 24th scale. There are so many models, figures and diorama material out there! The thought of putting a model of the family car beside a T rex is incredible. How else can you communicate the size of these animals?

Sadly, Pegasus prehistoric line is extinct. It didn't generate enough sales to continue. But I am not letting that stop me. I have begun to sculpt my own. 

So here is my latest, a small plesiosaur, Polycotylus latipinnis. The animal was 16 feet long in life. That makes it 8 inches in 24th scale. I carved a rough shape of the body out of insulation foam. Then I covered that with two layers of paper mache' and several coats of Bondo Red Spot and Glazing Putty to get the body smooth and streamlined. I used plastic card (FOR SALE signs from Walmart) to get the basic shape of the head. Then I used Apoxie to give it it's three dimensional shape. The bobs from a couple of dress maker pins supplied the eyes. I thought about the teeth but in this scale they were too small for me. Finally the four paddle fins are plastic card held in a curve by the rest of the dress maker pins covered in Apoxie. 

Plesiosaur


The base is a cheap wooden plaque from the hobby store. The stone "pedestal" is crumpled foil over a metal post hot glued to keep its shape. It's dusted with salt to give it a pebbly surface. The sandy sea floor is spackle smoothed with a wet brush before it set. A sprinkle of green flock dry brushed in lighter shades of green is my attempt at algae. The live and dead ammonites are sculpted from Apoxie.

Here is Polly beside Fred, a 22nd scale figure by Schleich, to give her a sense of scale.

I feel that I could do a bit more to make her more life like. But for now I think she's done. All told this one took me about two and a half weeks.

- Leelan

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Posted by PFJN on Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:11 AM

Hi,

Great job.  That's cool looking, but are you sure that isn't really the Loch Ness Monster Stick out tongue

Pat

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Posted by modelnut on Sunday, April 16, 2017 7:40 AM

Pretty sure. Geeked

Nessie wouldn't cause the uproar in paleontological circles that this one has. "A fat plesiosaur??? OUTRAGEOUS!"

- Leelan

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Sunday, April 16, 2017 1:12 PM

Wow awesome job painting and sculpting him. One day maybe I'll try sculping something like this, if it looks ten percent as good I'll be happy!

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed." -G.K. Chesterton

 

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Posted by modelnut on Sunday, April 16, 2017 1:55 PM

I sculpt mostly out of frustration. If I see a picture of some prehistoric animal and say, "I want a model of that!" and there is no model of that. That's when I start sculpting.

- Leelan

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Posted by PFJN on Sunday, April 16, 2017 6:49 PM

modelnut

Pretty sure. Geeked

Nessie wouldn't cause the uproar in paleontological circles that this one has. "A fat plesiosaur??? OUTRAGEOUS!"

- Leelan

 

Hi,

Hopefully not getting too far off track, but when I was young my sister bought me a 2nd hand copy of a book at a garage sale about the Loch Ness Monster.  It fascinated me because it seemed to be a fair attempt at a rational review of the topic, explaining the different studies that they had done, including underwater cameras which did show some stuff that could potentially leave you curious enough to want more study, etc.

In addition they tried to collect and analyze all the descriptions of encounters to date (which I guess must have been back in the 1970s) and see which of the possible explainations they best fit overall.

If I am recalling correctly I think that one of the best fits for the data was found to be a giant newt, or something like that, for which they provided an artists interpretation of.  I did a quick internet search and couldn't find those images (and sadly my book is likely packed away in my attic somewhere), but I did find a blog with a sketch of a giant salamander that the author of the blog appears to be suggesting as a possibility for the Loch Ness Monster, as shown below.

It would be interesting to see something like that as a possible model or diarama, though sadly my carving/sculpting skills and ability to do models of living stuff isn't really that good.

Sorry for getting off track.  I really like your work.  Thanks for sharing your pictures.

Pat

http://thelochnessgiantsalamander.blogspot.com/

Loch Ness Salamander

(PS.  Since it shows the original author's copyright, and thus credits the work as his I hope its OK to provide the direct link above)

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, April 17, 2017 11:16 AM

PFJN

 

 
modelnut

Pretty sure. Geeked

Nessie wouldn't cause the uproar in paleontological circles that this one has. "A fat plesiosaur??? OUTRAGEOUS!"

- Leelan

 

 

 

Hi,

Hopefully not getting too far off track, but when I was young my sister bought me a 2nd hand copy of a book at a garage sale about the Loch Ness Monster.  It fascinated me because it seemed to be a fair attempt at a rational review of the topic, explaining the different studies that they had done, including underwater cameras which did show some stuff that could potentially leave you curious enough to want more study, etc.

In addition they tried to collect and analyze all the descriptions of encounters to date (which I guess must have been back in the 1970s) and see which of the possible explainations they best fit overall.

If I am recalling correctly I think that one of the best fits for the data was found to be a giant newt, or something like that, for which they provided an artists interpretation of.  I did a quick internet search and couldn't find those images (and sadly my book is likely packed away in my attic somewhere), but I did find a blog with a sketch of a giant salamander that the author of the blog appears to be suggesting as a possibility for the Loch Ness Monster, as shown below.

It would be interesting to see something like that as a possible model or diarama, though sadly my carving/sculpting skills and ability to do models of living stuff isn't really that good.

Sorry for getting off track.  I really like your work.  Thanks for sharing your pictures.

Pat

http://thelochnessgiantsalamander.blogspot.com/

Loch Ness Salamander

(PS.  Since it shows the original author's copyright, and thus credits the work as his I hope its OK to provide the direct link above)

 

Now that's a neat idea! 

Although frankly after finding out the famous 'surgeon's photo' was a fraud I'm more skeptical than ever that it's anything other than misidentificion of odd waves or fish etc. 

"Fairy tales do not tell children the dragons exist. Children already know that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that dragons can be killed." -G.K. Chesterton

 

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Monday, April 17, 2017 11:43 AM

Now, that is an excellent build!  Great job of sculpting and build the shape!

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

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Posted by modelnut on Monday, April 17, 2017 11:57 AM

I forgot to mention that Polly is painted entirely with acrylics. After priming she was given a base coat of Krylon Almond. Then I stippled various shades of white, tan and flesh on the underside and many shades of brown on top. Once I was satisfied I painted the darker pattern on top with my airbrush. A lighter shade of reddish tan was sprayed around the dark blotches to bring them out a bit more. A light mist coat of that tan unified the upper portions. Then I painted the eyes black and sealed the model with Future.

- Leelan

 

 

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:55 AM

modelnut

...Sadly, Pegasus prehistoric line is extinct. It didn't generate enough sales to continue...

I'm sorry, but I must offer a correction to that statement.  I was curious, so I contacted Pegasus and they said the prehistoric kits are not discontinued.  They did clarify that there was a kit of Liopleurodon under development, but none of the sculpts for a master was acceptable, so they didn't pursue that particular subject.

But anyone who wants to get the T rex, Triceratops or Spinosaurus can find the kit from his favorite retailer.

Best regards,

Brad

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Posted by modelnut on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:02 AM

Really? I've seen images of that Liopleurodon and the Ichthyosaurus that it's pursuing. The were sculpted by Shane Foulkes, one of the premiere sculptors of prehistoric subjects. Many of us have been waiting years for that one to be released. So has Shane. Nothing new has been released in their animal line since their 18th scale Great White in 2013. The Spinosaurus was released in their 24th scale prehistoric line in 2014 with promises that the Liopleurodon was soon to follow. It's 2017 and there has been no news. I would say that, even if their old kits are still in production, with no new kits on the horizon, both their animal line and their prehistoric line can be considered extinct.

I want that Liopleurodon. Super Angry

- Leelan

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Posted by modelnut on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:04 AM

BTW I have contacted Pegasus many times over the years and have yet to see a reply.

- Leelan

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, April 19, 2017 11:39 AM

modelnut

BTW I have contacted Pegasus many times over the years and have yet to see a reply.

- Leelan

 

I'm not making it up.  I can't account for your experience, but I went to their website on Monday, used the Contact Us feature, and got a reply yesterday.  Until Pegasus announces that they've discontinued that line, I'd say that it's not extinct.  We're all each entitled to our opinions on its status, of course, but the fact is that the kits are still available and haven't been discontinued.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

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Posted by modelnut on Saturday, April 22, 2017 12:37 PM

Baron,

I'm not saying that you are making it up. I'm just saying for those of us who have all of their kits already, "What's the hold up? Where's my Liopleurodon?" 

I've seen Shane's sculpture. It's beautiful! How is it not acceptable?

- Leelan

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  • From: Bethlehem PA
Posted by the Baron on Monday, April 24, 2017 11:54 AM

modelnut

Baron,

I'm not saying that you are making it up. I'm just saying for those of us who have all of their kits already, "What's the hold up? Where's my Liopleurodon?" 

I've seen Shane's sculpture. It's beautiful! How is it not acceptable?

- Leelan

 

 
Thanks, the tone of your response tended to imply it, but my mistake for inferring that meaning.
 
As far as Pegasus' decision goes, you'll have to keep trying to contact them. I don't know why you've never gotten a reply from them, but it is possible.  I didn't ask anything more than to confirm whether the line of prehistoric kits had been discontinued, which was the statement you made in your original post:
 
"Sadly, Pegasus prehistoric line is extinct. It didn't generate enough sales to continue."
 
The person from Pegasus who replied to me denied that statement.

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

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Posted by modelnut on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 1:50 PM

Yes. Words on a computer screen can be read many different ways. I have misread many a post in my time. Usually it reflects my mood at the time instead of the writer.

It's sad that there aren't more 24th scale prehistorics coming out soon. It is a great scale for these animals. There are already so many vehicles and figures and what not in that scale. It would be fantastic for anyone wanting to build a Jurassic Park type diorama or two.

I have Charlie McGrady's 1/25 Kronosaurus waiting to be painted. 

- Leelan

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Posted by Bakster on Monday, May 15, 2017 8:56 AM

Excellent work, cool idea.

 

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