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armament and shrouds vietnam 1965
Posted by iroquois1963 on Friday, April 3, 2020 7:30 AM

hello to all .
 first, take care of yourself and yours against this pandemic, pay attention to the maximum , this little word comes from france , from brittany , more specifically .

 I started a diorama on Ia Drang Valley several years ago, and I just found myself chatting with a French model artist that I didn’t know what rifle they were equipped with and if they had already started the shrapnel vests in Nov 65 , could you, gentlemen, give me the right information so I don’t do anything  ? thank you in advance for your help.

 this one :

 

 or this one  :

 

 and this :

I asked a friend to make me this art of the nose at 1/35 of the ARA griffons and I already had that of the 229th

 

 

 photo of Ray " rotorwash " Whilhite .

 best regards .

 phil .

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 3, 2020 8:46 AM

The infantry had early M-16s with the open front three prong flash suppressor. 

 

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Friday, April 3, 2020 10:37 AM

At that time it was greens for uniforms with camo helmet covers, and they carried the first model M-16 (triangular handguard, no forward assist, and open three prong flash hider) low velocity fragmentation vests (flak vests) had not been issued yet. Make sure you only use the 20 round magazines in the M-16's, as the thirty round units were not fielded then.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by stikpusher on Friday, April 3, 2020 11:31 AM

Look at the photo above. It was taken in the Ia Drang during the LZ X-Ray Battle. That M-16 has a forward assist

 

F is for FIRE, That burns down the whole town!

U is for URANIUM... BOMBS!

N is for NO SURVIVORS...

       - Plankton

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Posted by ikar01 on Saturday, April 4, 2020 11:44 AM

The mags were made of a thin aluminum and had a tendency to be a different color that the weapon and coiuld also start to change colors with use.  The rifle sling was made of nyllon and was a yellowish tan color with flat fold over aluminum clips to hold it together.  The butt stock and forward grips were a semi flat black and the pistol grip was flat black.

 

I'm not sure but I think some of them also carried the M-148 40mm low velocity grenade launcher  on their rifles which wouild be some shade of O.D.  They aeventually turned over their entire supply of thee launchers to the Air Force for the M-203.

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Posted by HooYah Deep Sea on Saturday, April 4, 2020 11:48 AM

After proper research, I stand corrected. Hal Moore's men were carrying the XM16E1, a forward assist equipped AR15. It later became (1967) the M16A1.

Brian

Incidently, I do not commonly trust a lot of photos, especially if they come from the internet, as there is no control and no required provenance there. I have found photos listed as the USS ARIZONA, that were not even battleships.

"Why do I do this? Because the money's good, the scenery changes and they let me use explosives, okay?"

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Posted by Dark Wolf on Friday, April 24, 2020 2:51 AM

HooYah Deep Sea

After proper research, I stand corrected. Hal Moore's men were carrying the XM16E1, a forward assist equipped AR15. It later became (1967) the M16A1.

Brian

Incidently, I do not commonly trust a lot of photos, especially if they come from the internet, as there is no control and no required provenance there. I have found photos listed as the USS ARIZONA, that were not even battleships.

 

I believe the XM16E1 also lacked the fence around the magazine release.

 

DW

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Posted by Drew Cook on Saturday, November 7, 2020 8:01 AM

The photo of Lt. Rick Rescorla, taken during the Battle of the Ia Drang Valley (November 1965), shows his early-model M-16 to have the forward assist on it.

Rescorla survived combat in Vietnam, only to perish as a security officer of one of the World Trade Center twin towers while trying to get people out on September 11th, 2001.     

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Posted by ikar01 on Sunday, November 8, 2020 2:44 PM

These are Air force M-16s.  They are even earlier versions, no bolt assist, nothing around the release, many still had the three prong flash supressors attached, the exception being the G.A.U. version the Army called the Car 15.  I believe theirs had the upgrades but sunce we had very little contact with them I'm not sure.

 

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Posted by GMorrison on Sunday, November 8, 2020 7:16 PM

I'd heard of Lt. Rescorla and read Moore's book. But thanks for identifying the photo.

I looked him up; a good Wiki article.

Born in England, British Army, Rhodesia Police, Us Army, Morgan Stanley security.

Had a lot of jobs which make one think he was a bit of a free thinker.

A life full of service. 

Thank you, sir.

Ikar, that rifle on the bipod is a fine looking piece of industrial design. Looks like a 60s car say a Buick Riviera or a Pontiac Grand Prix.

Bill

 

 Modeling is an excuse to buy books.

 

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Posted by ikar01 on Friday, November 13, 2020 9:57 AM

And somehow I still have the bipod.  I'm trying to find a case for it.

I still like the 60s cars.  I owned a 62 Mercury, 63 Chevy Biscayne, 63 Pontiac Catalina, 64 Galaxy, and 67 Impala.

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