The right Valejo coloures for German uniforms in WW2.

ShModeler sorry about the delay in getting back to you, I have had a forced break from modelling over the last couple of weeks, am back modelling now and will post more info asap.

QUOTE: Originally posted by bauer I've just been reading the info South Aussie has been submitting hey man your a genius!! I hope you dont mind if I use for my reference as well I just gotta find out where I can get the Valejo paints from as no one has them here in NZ is there anywhere online they can be ordered from? Cheers Tony

Tony: feel free to use the info as you wish, I hope you can find a supplier as the Valejo are good paints and worth the effort if you can get them.


David Juhasz I agree with you about the different shades and variations of uniform colors, especially German WW2 uniforms. I supplied the infomation in this thread as a guide to those who wish to use it as a start to painting german uniforms using Valejo paints especially those that do not have easy access to suitable references.

They are available in New Zealand, modelcrafts and hobbies in wgtn have them.

If you want to order them from overseas, check out Colorado Miniatures, they've got a sale on Vallejo paints. Much cheaper than what you can get them here in NZ. Gray Creager at Colorado is great to deal with, very helpful.

I've just been reading the info South Aussie has been submitting hey man your a genius!! I hope you dont mind if I use for my reference as well I just gotta find out where I can get the Valejo paints from as no one has them here in NZ is there anywhere online they can be ordered from?
Cheers
Tony

Thanks for the links guy's!!

I havent seen them before and these are sure helpfull!!

Might I suggest these articles from Missing-Lynx to help with the paiting. they have amny good, interesting, and helpful articles on figures at the site.

http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/figures/mbcamo.htm
http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles/figures/mboak.htm

Regarding "Accurate" colours for Greman Uniforms. Do your resaerch guys!
Check out any of the Osprey Men at Arms titles and Brian Davis' Uniforms of The German Army.
You'll find that "almost" any Gery Green will suffice,and or Stone Gery ( some late war German uniforms had a brownish hue to them!). As I'm sure most of you know uniform manufacturers and the fabrics they used vary and you can get different hues from the various sources. Take Levi jeans for example. Do they ever fade the same? There are a myriad of factors to consider so look around, check militaria displays and the books above, find a colour that looks "accurate " to you and go from there. Don't forget your own shadeing, washes and higlights will effect your basic colours.
Don't be intimidated by "International" club rules or contests............

Here's a pretty good site for Wehrmacht uniforms:

http://www.angelfire.com/sk2/germanuniforms/wehrmacht39_42.html

and this one, though a little frantic graphically, has uniforms from MANY services, with some nice hieratic color guides:

http://www.diggerhistory.info/pages-uniforms/germany.htm

Good luck with your figures!

Bart Brown

Sorry all pressed wrong key. What it was ment to say was try & get hold of copy FSM for July 2002. There was a special pull-out section on Vallejo colors to use.
It helped me when i first used them, hope this helps.

yes, tis a nicer and more opportunistic place that i moved to. its working out great. best to you as well friend!! later.

QUOTE: lower than lower alabama now!!

You moved? Congratiolations!!! I hope it's a new and nicer place!
Hope to see you around the other threads, although lately I dont have much time to stay long enough in front of the computer reading all of them

All the best for you and family!

good to hear from you as well Shahar!! yes, i moved even further south in alabama, so i'm even lower than lower alabama now!! so, i've been gone for about a month or so and now i'm back to the forums. later.

HHHHHEEEEELLLLLLOOOOOO CHRIS!!!

WOW! I havent heard from you for a long time!
I was'nt much around the forum, only for a limited time every once in a while.
When I roamed around, I had a feeling that you were missing for some time... is that true?
How are you? How's your family? I hope everything is OK there at "Lower Alabama".
It's great to hear from you!!
All the best friend!!!

sorry Shahar, i have no advice to give as far as the paint colors go, but i noticed you were here so i thought i'd drop in and say hello to ya friend!! long time no type. later.

It's OK friend! dont worrey about it.
Family first then all the others, I am very patient
Take care!

ShModeler, Just to let you know I haven't forgot you - been busy with house maintenace, will post more info in a couple of days.

Excellent info!
thank you very much!
Now that there is some order, this will turn into a good database for german camo.

ShModeler,

The Germans had a range of variations to their Camo uniforms, usually based on the season of the year, the one with the grey was known as their autumn (fall) pattern, this one blended better with the dark colours of autumn, whereas the summer pattern one (a lighter tone) would stand out against a dark autumn background and vice versa. Some of the combat smocks had the autumn pattern on one side and a winter white on the other so as winter set in all they had to do was turn the smock inside out.

The colours for the summer version( SS Oak Leaf A Summer pattern) are:

Base - 825 German Camo Pale Brown
The darker of the pattern colour 862 Black Grey
The lighter patern colour is 850Medium Olive

With the colour pattern, paint the dark patches first, then fill in these patches with the lighter colour leaving a small dark outline on the outside edge.

One other thing to be aware of is that in a lot of cases that was the smock only had Oak Leaf patterns on it, the trousers were usually field grey or had a pattern known as the Italian Camouflage. Ill get back to you with the colours for this soon.

Wow! thank you!
Now I am completly stumped! Grey?? as a base coloure?
I have read Lynne Kessler's article about the eichenlaube (oak laf) pattern and his base coloure is tan. He does'nt reefer to it by a coloure number but reffer to it as general tan. As a matter of fact he even claim that the it does'nt really matter what tan it is....

In his article there are splotches of greens.
So I really dont know what is going now... How many oakleaf patterns are there?

Thank's!

ShModeler, these are the colours for the Fall pattern Oak leaf pattern

The base colour is 992 Neutral Grey, to highlight this use a mixture of 80% Neutral grey + 20% 951 White, for the shadows use 862 Black Grey.

When the base colour has been finished apply the pattern colours.

the lighter colour is a mixture of 891 Orange Brown + 984 Flat brown
the darker colour is 822 German Camo Black Brown.

Still working on colours for the other versions of this.

Wow! thank you very much!!!
Now I'll have something to do this weekend.
I hope your's will be very pleasing!

ShModeler, the Camo Winter Jacket pattern is also known as the Splinter Camouflage Pattern it gets its name from the small dark lines that look like splinters. To paint this use:
821 WWII Beige Camo as a base,
969 Park Green Flat for green patterns,
825 Camo Pale Violet Brown for the brown patterns,
980 Black Green for the splinters.
Paint the green and brown patches over the base colour and then paint the splinters over the three colours. If you apply a thin version of the green and brown to outline the colour patches then fill in the middle of them it will create a soft edge to the patterns, it may pay to practice this on a piece of scrap plastic before painting the fiqure.

There is also another version of the Splinter know as the Marsh pattern the only difference is instead of using park green - use 892 Yellow Olive.

I will get back to you with the other patterns soon. Will be away this weekend so it will not be before Monday & Feb 05 (Australian Time)

That is absolutly fabulose!

Take all the time you need South aussie!

Thank you very much!!

ShModeler, give me a couple of days and i'll see what I can do for you, I should be able to give you most of the colours, just need time to follow up on them.

South Aussie, I appriciate your help!

It took me some time to find out the exact name of the uniforms I'm looking for, so here they are:
Heer-Uniforms
Sniper smock, at the following link you will find a photo:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4653
Camo tunic:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4652
Camo winter jacket:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4654

And some Wafen-SS uniforms:

especialy the oak-leaf patterns:
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4792
and offcourse the "panzer-wrapper"
http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=4791

Hope it's not to much... although I know it is much(!)
So if you can help me with this one I would appriciate it very very much!

Thank you friend!

ShModeler, if you can give me an idea of which unform type you are after I can post the Vallejo colours required.

As an example here are the colours required for a German Field Grey Uniform.
The base colour is 830 Field Grey - is painted over the entire uniform
Highlight Colour is 886 Green Grey - this is applied to the high points of the uniform
Shadow Colour is a mixture of 830 Field Grey and 862 Black grey or 979 Dark Green - this is applied to the areas of the uniform that would have a shadow created by the high points.

Deep Shadows is 862 Black grey - applied to deep creases in the uniform.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the good lead Aussie!

However, reference books about GERMAN militaria are not easily avalubale here in Israel....

So if someone could give me, maybe a basic idea of where to start I would appriciate it very much!

Thank you guys!

ShModeler if you can find a book released by Letterman Publications titled "Getting Started Painting Diorama Figures In Acrylics" Ref: LP007 you will find info on how to use and what colors to use for German fiqures in it.