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Posted by renarts on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 6:17 PM
Blue Bear,
The King of Hungary in 1365........
Louis I (the Great), Lajos, Ludwik ,(1326 - 1382) became king of Hungary in 1342 at the death of his father. He was the son of Charles I, king of Hungary, and was the head of the Angevin branch, and a member of the Capetian royal family. He was out of the House of Anjou.

This is a banner used by both Charles I and Louis the Great.



Mind you, the arms of the king would be carried only by the king and a household knight or a knight attached to the royal household would carry either a badge of the king or his own arms on his shield. Since the idea of knighthood and its offices and responsibilities were a little different in Hungary than in Western Europe you'll have to dig a little for specific examples of Hungarian Knightly Herladry from the 14th c. but they seem to follow alot of the same german practices in blazoning. Mainly because of the practice of hiring German mercenary knights.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by BlueBear on Wednesday, June 1, 2005 6:25 AM
I have sort of the same problemthat you have. I have Verlinden #1062, Hungarian Knight CA.1360. It just gives an oblique view of the shield, and I haven't been able to find a picture of the Coat-of-Arms of the King that is supposed to be on the shield. How about some help Verlinden? Banged Head [banghead]
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Posted by renarts on Monday, May 9, 2005 10:24 PM
Late 13thc. early 14thc. heraldry is still pretty simple. There is a book by Fox-Davies called Heraldry that has some wonderful examples of heraldic devices of this period. Secular Knighthood is loaded with colorful designs and livery that can make for a pretty colorful figure. The design painted on the shield was usually some element or badge from the bearer's coat of arms. Animals, body parts, celestial designs, mythical animals, geometric shapes, different types of geometric divisions of colors...This was a sort of early medieval uniform and soldiers recognized each other via the color surcoats and arms painted on shields and banners. A household knight may carry his Lord's heraldry or badge on his shield or if he was in charge of his own Lance, (a group of soldiers he brought to the field) then he may carry his own arms and his soldiers or levied trrops would carry anything from a simple one color shield or surcoat to a partied color shield (a color and metal usually white or yellow representing silver or gold) or a badge or device of their leaders arms.
The religous orders may carry several types of crosses dependent on those reprsentative of their order. i.e. white cross on black shield Order of St. John prior to 1270, white cross on red shield, Order of St. John after the papal bull of 1270. red cross on white field, Knight Templar, (shield may have been black and white representative of their banner) black cross on white field, teutonic order. Redcross with a sharpened lower point on a white field was one of the spanish orders, Santiago I think, A little research will get you more info.
The shields were made of wooden boards almost like a sheet of plywood, covered with a layer of horsehair and then leather. The back side was most likely painted any color if not covered with leather. Alot of the figures out there have shields with a wood grain on their backsides so if you wanted to you could paint it as such. (Shields were pretty much a disposable item and replaced between battles if damaged. Most of the extant shields in museums are funerary achievements and were preserved and not reliably representative of actual "combat" shields.

Hit the library and pull books on heraldry and you'll find a plethora of info.
Good luck.
Mike "Imagination is the dye that colors our lives" Marcus Aurellius A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
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Posted by ajlafleche on Monday, May 9, 2005 8:11 AM
Shields at this time usually had some form of heraldry on them. You'll need to do some research or check out rhe transfers at http://www.sentinelminiatures.com/Page_13_Sentin.html

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knight Ca 1300 verlinden help
Posted by panthernz on Monday, May 9, 2005 1:27 AM
hi there i am building the verlinden knight Ca 1300 kite number 1231 but there is no photo of the sheild can any pne tell me what coulers to paint the frount and back of the sheild thanks
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