c7a1 and c1 assault rifles in 1/35 scale

next time i'll do an ISAF coyote (this not being the last) this time i'll do a KFOR that has seen lots of use and modification by the crew.

Both actually,
Coyote's have been somewhere on every mission's ORBAT pretty much since their inception. Personally, I think it would be cooler to do one from the LdSh(RC) deployed to Afghanistan under Op Apollo, in the desert sand paint; a bit of a departure from the standard green used on everything else in the Canadian Army.
The wire cutters wouldn't be hard to build out of styrene, just get some decent reference photos from online and there you go.
C9s on the commanders hatch are a bit of a touch and go thing, some Ics like them, others don't, and each veh. will be tailored to it's mission; eg, here in Afghanistan, while doing picket at KAF, the C9s are left off, because the 25mm will reach out and touch someone long before he comes into range. However, if they were to move into the city, I wouldn't doubt more than a few would start mounting the LMG.

thouse sites are where i get most of my refs. i'm useing the trumpeter kit and archer/spare decals, the only details missing are going to be the wire cutters and i'm going to take the c9 from the kit and mount it on the commanders hatch pintle mount. my question is did we use them in KFOR, or SFOR?

cader28;

No trouble. I read the question too quick. The posted links I put up actually state most of what you wrote.

Cheers;

Gregory

Sorry to shut you down Greg, but no, Canada does not use the Coyote in its Direct Fire Support Vehicle role anymore. Those veh. not equipped with the Mast Mounted Surveillance System, ie, those that were used as DFSV, have been retrofitted with the Remote Mounted Survelliance System, the one on the tripod with a fibre optic cable that has to be manpacked into position. Therefore, the Coyote veh is now a strictly recce (recon to other countries) /surveillance vehicle.
The DFSV was a stop gap measure during the late 90s when the CF was unsure of the future of the Leopard C1A1 MBT. At the time, all  three Regular Force Armoured Regts were equipped with Leos, leaving them severely understrength at the Squadron and Troop level. The fighting strength was  bolstered by the addition of 2 DFSV Squadrons to each regiment, in addition to a recce Squadron already equipped with the Coyote and 'A' Squadron with tanks.
When the decision was made to upgrade the C1A1 to the C2 standard, all the MBTs went to the Lord Sthrathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and the Royal Canadian Dragoons and the 12 Regiment blinde du Canada went entirely to the armoured recce role, equipped with the aforementioned retrofitted Coyotes.
On the modelling side, if you built a LAV-25 kit up to the Coyote DFSV point, it would be little trouble to add the few extra details to convert to the recce variant.

Curtis;

To answer your question yes. Check the following links and you will see more than I can type about each. As well there are plenty of pics.

Link 1. http://www.army.forces.gc.ca/lf/English/2_1.asp

Link 2. http://www.sfu.ca/casr/101-vehcoyo2.htm

Hope these answer the question. Typically Canadian vehicles are not heavily marked. Usually a Call Sign and possibly a Unit insignia Not much else.

Cheers;

Gregory

you guys might know this. do we still use the coyote dfsv? if yes would the markings be the same as the coyote or the lav 3?

Gregory,
I can't help ya on the M113 front, as there aren't any here. 3VP has G-Wagens and a few uparmoured Bisons, and the Chimos have the Nyala veh. If you want a walk around of any of these I'd be glad to help. The RCDs just went home as I deployed, and 12RBC won't be here till Feb. In any case, I'm opconned to 3VP, not the tankers, so I'll have to wait until TF 0407 to actually practice my trade.
Sorry to hear about your forced career change.
Bash On,
Cade

Cader28;

Keep the head down while you're there! In answer to your question I started out as an Infantryman and ended up remustering to Supply. I fractured my spine at the L-3 L-4 areas of the Lumbar Spine so that ended my time under a ruck at 30 in 2000. Not fun and a long battle later with Veterans Affairs things are finally getting back to some form of normal.

Armoured eh? I forget are the Strat's there now or the boys with the Really Cute Deer (RCD's) there now? I am glad to see you did not refer to yourself as a member of the Mo-litia. That is old school. The Reserve has a better standing today than it did years ago.

Actually if you have access to a digital camera there can you do a walk around for me of a M113?

I have a buddy from PPCLI who's been after me to build a kit for him with the rear hatch open and ramp down. I need layout shots of the interior with something in the shot to reference for scale. You can use anything available as long as you give me the dimension to re-scale.

Cheers;

Gregory

Linux sucks by the way; it leads to double postings like that.

Gregory
I'm already in Afg., have been since early Dec. I'm part of an augmentee section of Reservists up from that invisible, secret camp in south west Asia. Mainly do D + S for the PRT, but have been filling holes in the patrol roster also.
MLM has great stuff; my next next project is a tricked out C2 Leo + crew.
Toyed with the idea of modelling while I'm over her, but i think the logistics of it and the environment would be a waste of time. I'm content to read FSM and converse on the forums.
What was your trade in 2SVC?
i'm amrd by the way.
Cade

gburdon  
Already in the 'stan, have been since the start of December. Part of a Reserve section up from TSE in that mysterious camp somewhere in south west Asia. Mainly we do sentry in the towers, but fill all the vacant seats in patrols.
I toyed with the idea of modelling while over here, just doesn't seem to fly well enough to try... dust, work, lack of materials, etc.
MapleLeaf has good stuff; my next next project is going to be a tricked out C2, with possibly a Coyote as well (as you can probably tell, I'm armoured).
Hooah,
Cade

Cader28;

If you have not been to this site, http://www.mapleleafmodels.com you should. They have all kinds of goodies for Canadian armour etc.

When are you heading to Afghanistan? A friend of mine just left for his Engineer IED pre-training in Gagetown and my old unit (2 SVC BN) is slotted for the next Roto to Kandahar.

You should have some kits mailed to you so you can keep in practice.

Cheers;

Gregory

Keep in mind that that C7A1 is based on the M16A1E3. This means that in order to be truly accurate, you should take the barrel and round handguards from an M16A2, and mate it with the upper/lower receiver and stock from an M16A1. The Elcan is easy to built, however. Also, you can drop one on any early M249 SAW and you've got a C9A1. C6s can be found in the Dragon Modern Light MG set, as can a SAW. Dragon also makes an M16 family series kit; with that and some resin casting, you could make C8, C8A1, C8A2, C7, C7A1 and C7A2 (-minus tactical light and PAQ-4 IR laser, although they should be relatively easy to build).
By the way, what exactly are you planning to build?
My next project on returning home from the sandbox is my section from AFG, but it's gonna be tough scratching all of the Canadian kit.
Anyways, cheers and good luck.

thanks guys, greg if you want a good surplus store go to abc military surplus in downtown kitchener that guy can get anything, for a price of coars.

I've got a tutorial on scratch building weapons at my site, found here:

http://promodelmaker.com/Tutorials.html 

Gonna have to copy/paste the URL because I can't get the link to work. It's the only tutorial I have up so far.

 I've got the step by step pics linked to the words or sentences that reference them, and they're set to open in a second browser so you don't have to keep going back and forth. It explains using scale multipliers and photoshop (or whatever other picture editing software) to make your scale reference pics, as well as fabricating the subassemblies. I've made a 120mm M3 Grease Gun in the tute, but the rules work for any weapon in any scale.

 Here's a good resource you can use (gonna have to paste this one too, sorry), http://world.guns.ru/grenade/gl10-e.htm.

That's a good site for all sorts of weapons, though several pics are too grainy for good reference on detail.

Curtis;

To scratchbuild a Carl-G is quite simple. You can rough out the shape with either styrene tubing or brass tubing. Either will work quite well. The outer details, sights, grips etc. can be made from styrene. A good reference to scale from is the Warrior field training pamphlet that was distributed several years ago by LFCA to all Regular and Reserve Force Regiments. If you can't locate one through your Squadron check with a local Reserve Unit member and ask if they can source you out one. I may still have one buried in the pile of junk, I'll have to look. Failing that there used to be a fair size army surplus store in Kitchener, check there as well they may have a copy. They were full of good little bits of information and pictures as well as decent line drawings of each weapon.

I'll see what I can turn up for you as well.

Cheers;

Gregory

thats not a carl g in that kit simalar but no.

There is a very basic Carl Gustav Launcher in some of the Trumpeter JGSDF vehicle kits. I have one, and it would probably be better to scratch build one, though you can use the trumpeter one as a base.

closest  thing is tamiyas piat and that looks nothing like a carl g. check www.army.forces.gc.ca 's equipment page weapons you'll see it.

No, that's the one I'm talking about too. The other one, the M45 Swedish K SMG, is spelled differently; Karl Gustav. I have scratch built that one, but a RR is easier because most of it would be made from simple styrene rod stock. Again, I'm fairly certain an example exists in either an Italleri or DML kit, though I could be wrong.

i think the carl gustav you mean is different i'm talking about the 84mm recioless rifle that the canadian army uses.

As in an M3 Carl Gustav? Why not? Piece of cake. Though I know DML has one in a kit, and I think Italleri has one too.

scratch building carl g's ?

How much difference would it make in 1/35th scale? Seems you could make the holes easy enough with a knife and then just paint the forearm grip gun metal like the rest of the weapon. I was comparing pics of the L1A1 and the C1 last night and didn't see any features that would stick out differently in1/35th, aside from the vent holes.

 I hope I'm not sounding like a smarta*s, just trying to help you find some easy options. Kind of trouble shooting with you. There's nothing as frustrating as needing something that isn't available, or is hard to come by.

I don't work much in 1/35th scale anymore, but since I sculpt nearly all of the figures I paint these days, I make my own weapons as well. If it comes down to it, let me know. I can advise on scratch building. It's not as hard as it might seem.

the l1a1 is similar exept for the front stock, the l1a1 has a wooden or in later cases a fibreglass stock (same material as in a c7 stock) the c1 on the other hand is metal with holls for venting below the barrel.

Will an FN-FAL L1A1 not work as a C1? Italleri has one in the 1/35 Light Weapon Set.

Can be used with 1/35th scale as long as you use same scale weapons all around. Going to order soon and will double check for you

i just checked the site and it says every thing is in 1/32 scale and i didn't see any c1's.