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    November 2005
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, November 3, 2006 11:12 PM

 I have to revive this ancient thread here to let you all know that my previous post, regarding the positions of Mr. Rocco and Mr.Troiani on the subject of copywrites, as they relate to models inspired by their respective paintings are wrong. I was aware of the reality at the time, but I cannot, for the life of me, explain how I came to switch the two positions. It was an honest mistake though.

 However, it was an honest mistake with ramifications that reached further than I'd have ever imagined. Someone recently quoted my post in a related topic at another forum, which sparked some debate, and eventually got Mr. Rocco's personal attention. He was understandably confussed by my statement and eventually was able to contact me to see what the deal was. As soon as I was aware of my error and the depth of the ensuing troubles it had caused, I immediately set about correcting it. 

 I have posted a full explanation of the actual events, as related in an editorial in Historical Miniatures Magazine, along with my humblest apologies to both Mr. Rocco and the members of that forum, and am doing the same here.

 Mr. Troiani was the artist who sought legal action, not Mr. Rocco, and it was Mr. Rocco who had a relaxed attitude towards this practice. Just to clarify completely, I'll explain the events breifly, as they unfolded in Historical Miniatures Magazine issues #21-23 from 1999

 In issue #21, then editor Ron Souza wrote an editorial about the legal action that Mr Troiani had sought against the model companies Warriors and Glory Miniatures for models they had produced based on his paintings. They had apparently not responded to his first notification of the alleged violation of his intellectual property rights, so he hired a lawyer and took it to thenext step. A settlement was then agreed on and the offending figures dissappeared from the respective product lines. 

 In that editorial, Mr. Souza had mentioned a discussion he'd had with Mr. Rocco about how he woudl react, were he in Mr. Troiani's shoes. I'll quote that bit of the editorial.

 

'When I first heard the rumblings about the letter that was sent to Glory Miniatures, the subject came up in a conversation I had with another noted historical artist, Keith Rocco. I asked Keith what he would do if someone created a kit based on one of his painted images. He said that he would be honored. He did say that he would appreciate being first informed. He would seek no compensation and would really like to see one of his subjects on display at a major miniature exhibition."

In the next issue, #22, Mr. troiani responded to the editorial in the "Mail Call" letters section of HM Magazine, feeling mischaracterized unfairly by the editorial. There were also a number of readers chiming in with letters on both sides of the issue. The discussion continued into the letters section of issue #23 as well. 

So to recap, Keith Rocco will NOT persue an individual over a model inspired by one of his paintings. I doubt Don Troiani would either for that matter, though Mr. Troiani would go after a company who had made a model inspired by his work which had not secured rights to do so first. Mr. Rocco is not as rigid where that's concerned, even with companies selling models based on his work, though is within his rights to be.

 I made a stupid error and switched the artists' positions on the matter, which has effected Mr Rocco in an area where he takes a great deal of pride; being accessable to modelers and other history fans as well. 

I have apologized to Mr. Rocco for this error personally, and also the other forum, and now I am correcting the matter here and offering an apology to my fellow members here at the FSM forum. It was not my intention to decieve anyone, nor to discredit either artist, I simply thought I had something interesting to add to the discussion.

 My humblest apologies folks. Please forgive me. 

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  • From: Yuma, Arizona
Posted by Brumbles on Saturday, December 31, 2005 11:09 AM

Very nice work.  My only criticism is that the pioneer ensignia on the Yank's forage cap could have been either a thin, stamped brass, which tarnishes quickly in field conditions, or of white cloth.  If you're attempting to simulate the latter, great job! 

 

 

 

 

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  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Friday, December 30, 2005 2:12 PM

 stindle wrote:
Looks nice, other then that the rifle seems to be sitting to high up and is upside down. Something you never did with a mussle loader. When it rained they covered the barrel. Other then that great job :)

I know this is at least uncommon, butGlory based the figure on an illustration by Don Troiani. (See page 79 of his Civil War book) Given Mr. Troiani's notorious attention to detail, I'll defer to him.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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Posted by stindle on Thursday, December 29, 2005 10:36 AM
Looks nice, other then that the rifle seems to be sitting to high up and is upside down. Something you never did with a mussle loader. When it rained they covered the barrel. Other then that great job :)
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Posted by DURR on Monday, December 12, 2005 11:44 AM
as always great work
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, December 9, 2005 8:49 PM
very nice work, the only thing i should point out the yank looks alittle cross eyed, but other than that the weathering and all is very well done! -DJ
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, December 8, 2005 6:06 AM
Lookin good there
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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 5:16 PM

ahh, that makes sense, I've got his book.

John
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  • From: A Spartan in the Wolverine State
Posted by rjkplasticmod on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 12:50 PM

Nicely painted figures.  Thanks for sharing.

Regards,  Rick

RICK At My Age, I've Seen It All, Done It All, But I Don't Remember It All...
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 9:02 AM
 Troaini doesn't mind that sort of thing. Keith Rocco, on the other hand, frowns on it and is willing to take it to court. He filed suit against Warriors back in '99 over some vignettes they did based on some of his paintings. Troaini spoke up in the debate in the Historical Miniatures Magazine letter section saying that he felt that it was an honor to have his own paintings so depicted, but that he understood Rocco's position.

 Rocco really just wanted his financial due and a simple request to use his work in that way. The debate was pretty interesting though, and spanned three issues of the magazine.

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  • From: Massachusetts
Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 7:47 AM
 rebelreenactor wrote:

 His pose looks very familiar too. I think I have seen him in a sketch or a modern day painting, not sure.

Thanks.

Good eyes on Billy Yank, the pioneer. This is apparently, and probably unofficially, based on a painting by Don Troaini featured in his "Civil War" book.

Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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  • From: Clovis, Calif
Posted by rebelreenactor on Tuesday, December 6, 2005 12:44 AM

Great work! The yank looks really good. His pose looks very familiar too. I think I have seen him in a sketch or a modern day painting, not sure.

The reb look great as well. The jacket color is very nice, as is the tree he's pirched on.

Very nice job. Always good to see some Civil War stuff!

John
  • Member since
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  • From: Massachusetts
Two new figures completed
Posted by ajlafleche on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:25 PM

First is a union pioneer from the Army of the Cumberland by Glory. This is a 54mm white metal casting. The grass is from 3 Guyz and the stumps are Bayardi resin castings. The "dirt" on his cuffs and knees is done with pastel chalks. The pioneer emblems on the cap and sleeve bands  were scanned,  printed on copy paper, carefully cut out and attached with diluted white glue. Both figures were paintedprimarily with Andrea and Vallejo acrylilcs, except for the metals and some of the shading on Johnny Reb and the tree which was done with oils. Everything was sealed with Model Master Dull Coat shot through an airbrush.

Next is a 54mm Confederate resin kit by Nemrod. The kit includes the tree and base, but I replaced the rifle with a metal casting. I added a cut down fly tying feather to the shooter’s hat. The base was blended to the edge of the wood block with Celluclay. Grass is from 3 Guyz and the shrubs are from Michael’s Arts & Crafts.


Remember, if the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

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