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Which do you prefer: Studio or on-screen?

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Which do you prefer: Studio or on-screen?
Posted by Kugai on Monday, December 19, 2011 11:17 AM

Given the fact that  1) SF subjects are inherently fictional unlike military etc. subjects and  2) when actual models ( as opposed to CGI ) are used the miniature is the closest you can have to a "real thing, I'm just curious which option fellow SF modelers go by?

Sometimes there's little difference, such as the Star Destroyers in Star Wars.  Other times the on-screen color is altered accidentally ( the light blue on the original TIE fighters in SW EpIV  looked white but the miniatures were actually and accidentally painted non-photogenic blue ) or because of some studio exec or other person deciding to change things in post-production ( The Enterprise-D and Vulcan Shuttle having their hull color toned down to grays ).

There can also be other differences between appearances of a ship in a show/movie.  The Millenium Falcon's changes between Eps IV-V and the fact that the full-size prop of the Viper MKII in the BSG miniseries doesn't have maneuvering thrusters ( which I noticed while researching for the kit and got me thinking about this ) are a couple of examples.

So, which do you prefer when you're building something that shows one thing in stills from the show and another in pics of the miniature in the shop?

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Posted by Klik on Monday, December 19, 2011 6:41 PM

Personally, I go with the way the 'subject' appears on-screen, since that usually gives me the best references. So, my 3 TIES are all light grey, not lite blue.Geeked

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Posted by Scorpiomikey on Monday, December 19, 2011 6:49 PM

On screen, i look at it this way, if its going to be judged or critiqued by people, their first port of call for references will be the on screen version. So if you make it look like the on screen version, then the only people who are going to complain are rivet counters and haters.

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Posted by Gerry on Friday, December 23, 2011 2:48 PM

I'm not a "realist" fanatic. Studio model or On Screen are just guides to me. Not laws.

For example, they don't do many metal ships because of lighting/reflection issues but I'm currently doing my Cylon Raider in aluminum finish because Fighters were mostly metal finish in WWII.

I wouldn't go so far as to paint the Enterprise pink {I've seen it done} but Star Trek ships have gone through so many incarnations there is no exact color standard. Peal vs white vs gray base color. Blue vs Green vs Lavendar accents.

As long as it comes out the way you wanted it to, then you've done it right.

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Posted by Morbane on Monday, December 26, 2011 8:01 PM

I agree with Gerry - the reference as it is chosen, for me, is purely aesthetic. I have a Klingon Bird of Prey that I painted all the geometry black to give the ship a pirate look - I havent worked on it in quite a while.

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Posted by Gerry on Wednesday, December 28, 2011 9:52 PM

Nice Morbane - I never liked the bird motiff on Klingon ships. That was a Romulan thing.

But it does give lots of possabilities. I prefer grays to greens on that ship but canon says green.

I haven't touched my Cylon Raider in 2 weeks. Just took a break. back to it next week

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Posted by Kugai on Thursday, December 29, 2011 3:14 AM

Gerry

Nice Morbane - I never liked the bird motiff on Klingon ships. That was a Romulan thing.

But it does give lots of possabilities. I prefer grays to greens on that ship but canon says green.

I haven't touched my Cylon Raider in 2 weeks. Just took a break. back to it next week

Nice take on the BoP, Morbane.  While I've yet to replace the one I lost that was completed, that has inspired me to think about an alternate take with one of the spares.

Gerry, can't wait to see the metallic Raider.  I'd think the concept would fit, given the chrome look of the toasters.  besides, why would a purely logical, mechanical AI race bother with paint where it wasn't absolutely necessary?  Skipping the paint actually makes sense in the same way as eliminating the Cylon crews for the Raiders in the new series, though maybe some dull metallic weathering would be sensible for a ship that's trans-atmospheric.

Would you be offended if I also tried out the "metallic Raider" idea?  I'd be sure to give you credit for the original.

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Posted by Warmuncher on Saturday, December 31, 2011 8:44 AM

For Sci-Fi models I will generally look at all sources and then plan the scope of the project.  Some things I simply can't do with the tools, material, and money on hand.  For example, I can't afford all of the fine photo etch products to super detail most of the projects I'm working on.  Also, like Gerry, I use the source material as a guide and not as a Bible. 

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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, January 1, 2012 2:14 AM

I tend to skip the extras like that, but have gotten a few conversion kits and such.

Unlike a lot of the guys here, I son't worry much about whether the cockpits have every dial and switch, especially since it's fiction and not much is visible on a lot of kits, but some kits (like the old AMT Millenium Falcon with 2 seats instead of 4 ) could use some extra work that doesn't need expensive PE ( extra seats recast from an F-22 with square-section styrene underneath and a recast of one of the gun hinge plate parts for the "dashboard" and control panels used less than $2 in supplies ).

Of course, there are things that are more expensive than a $30 PE set.  There used to be a "correction set" for the Falcon that had resin replacements for the edges, cockpit interior, and add-on parts for the undersides that was at least $150.  Fortunately for me, while I was considering the idea and looking for the discontinued set, FineMolds came out with their 1:72 Falcon kit  While expensive, it was a case of a kit that was good enough to not need aftermarket parts ( though they are available ).

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