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LED spotlights? Need suggestions...

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    July 2012
Posted by harbinpr on Tuesday, August 13, 2013 7:11 AM

Thank you for the suggestion!  It's so simple and elegant that I'm kind of sad I didn't think of it myself... :)

It is working fantastically, though there's not space on the nacelle in 1:1000 scale to do the internal lighting, so I'll live with the saucer section and the insignia on the secondary hull - those look great!  As I'm buttoning up the hulls, I'll snap some pictures and upload.  Thanks again!

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Thursday, August 8, 2013 8:55 AM

Fly-n-hi: Thanks, when I get around to building mine I'll see if I can replicate it!

Mitsdude: Thanks! On the office computer now but I'll I'll give 'em a look when I get home.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    December 2006
  • From: Phoenix, AZ
Posted by Fly-n-hi on Wednesday, August 7, 2013 9:18 AM

Yeah, the pylons are lit up the same way.  I had to make the light boxes quite a bit thinner but as you can see its do-able

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    February 2007
Posted by mitsdude on Tuesday, August 6, 2013 11:33 PM

Check out Trekworks on youtube. He recently did a lighting project with a floodlight on the Enterprise. Don't know if its the same version as your but the principle should be the same.

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    November 2009
  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Monday, August 5, 2013 11:46 AM

WOW Fly-n-hi, that looks just like the movies!!!!!

Did you light the pylons the same way? Doesn't seem like there would be enough room inside them to get everything to fit.

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    December 2006
  • From: Phoenix, AZ
Posted by Fly-n-hi on Saturday, August 3, 2013 10:02 AM

I'm "currently" building a Polar Lights 1/350 Refit and I'm using the internal lighting method.  I say "currently" 'cause its been on the shelf for a while now.  But I'll get to it sometime soon.  Here's how it looks so far:

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  • From: SW Virginia
Posted by Gamera on Friday, August 2, 2013 11:26 AM

KT5150: Now that's a great idea- why didn't I think of it!?!

Thanks!!!

"I dream in fire but work in clay." -Arthur Machen

 

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    April 2013
Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Monday, July 29, 2013 12:18 AM
http://www.ianlawrencemodels.com/plent262large.html

The URL address above links to a photo of the 1/350 Enterprise by the gentleman many say coined the phrase "Raytheon lighting". Please keep in mind that all of the spotlight effects are lit from inside the model.
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    April 2013
Posted by KnightTemplar5150 on Sunday, July 28, 2013 10:31 PM

I've been tinkering with the Polar Lights 1/350 Enterprise kit for a while now and I've read a lot of different approaches that others have taken with the spotlighting issue.  In the end, I've elected to go with a technique which is being called the "Raytheon lighting method".  Hmmm...how do I explain this without sounding like a rambling madman?

The idea behind this method is to thin the plastic and illuminate the spotlights from inside of the model rather than trying to focus a spotlight from another source shining down on the exterior.

Let's take the registration lighting on the top of the saucer as an example.  In essence, what I have done to this point is to remove all of the items on the underside of the saucer which lie beneath the area I want to spotlight.  With this particular kit, it meant using the Dremel to remove a couple of locating posts and pins which would have been right under the decals marking this ship as "NCC-1701 Enterprise", right under the area I wanted the spotlights to shine.  Anything which might cast a shadow has to be removed!  There were also a couple of ejector pin marks which I did not fill, electing instead to sand the interior of the saucer until the pin marks and all artifacts from the surgery to remove the locating pegs and posts.  I went a little overboard, because in this case, the thinner I could make the plastic, the better.

Once the underside of the saucer half was prepped, I cut out masks which represented the pattern the "spotlights" would throw on the top side once they were lit.  I placed the masks on the underside of the saucer and then sprayed the interior with a coat of black primer (for light blocking) and then a coat of white to help reflect the light around inside the saucer.  From there, I removed the masks to leave bare plastic where the "spotlight" will fall.  Now, it will be a matter of using a larger, brighter LED lamp to illuminate the "spotlighted" areas, but the light will be secured inside the saucer rather than from the B/C deck areas under the bridge.

When I have all of my electronic components in place, the plan is to mask the same "spotlight" pattern on the outside of the saucer and then prime the completed assembly so I can sand out the areas I know that I have probably goofed up.  Again, I will be leaving bare plastic in those areas illuminated by my spotlights.  Once I am ready for spraying the color coats, I will remove the spotlight masks and paint as usual.

Despite my rambling explanation, the idea is pretty simple...the thinner, bare plastic will allow the spotlights to show through the model and its paint job to give the illusion that there is a spotlight illuminating the registry numbers like the studio model.  The same technique is being used for the spotlighted areas on the engineering hull, the engines, and the "Enterprise" name on the fantail of the hangar area.  I've also used it in my hangar to give the illusion of lights which aren't really there.

I've elected to go with this approach because, somehow, it just seemed easier to me than cutting telescoping lengths of brass tube to make spotlights which have to be aimed and focused.  It is effective, fairly easy (in theory!), and inexpensive to do.  So, yeah...I'm just as lazy as I am cheap, I guess!

Google "Raytheon lighting" and you'll be given links to a lot of WIP blogs which give a little clearer description, as well as a few videos which clearly show how effective and convincing the effect can be.  

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    July 2012
LED spotlights? Need suggestions...
Posted by harbinpr on Sunday, July 28, 2013 9:51 PM

I am working on several scales of the Enterprise, and I find myself stumped by the spotlights on the saucer section of the Enterprise/Enterprise A.  There were very prominent spotlights that illuminated the ship registry above and below.  Simply lighting the saucer section isn't giving me the very focused light that I want to see to replicate what you saw in the movies.  Does anyone have suggestions on how to create this spotlight effect, particularly in 1:1000 scale?  I've got fiber run all over the kit, but simple fiber isn't producing the right effect.  I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone who's done this before.

 

Thanks

PR

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