USS Constellation

Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 5, 2004 5:09 PM

Really nice effects! Smile [:)]

Excellent work!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 5, 2004 1:29 PM

There is a group of fans who have made a Star Trek movie and are working on another dealing with D-day machines (or so it appears from the trailer) . The amount of detail these guys put into their sets is incredible, as is the efx shots with ships and what not. The last story had a transport tug and showed the saucer shaped Starfleet HQ from the Franz Joseph Tech Manual from the early 70's. www.5yearmission.com

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 2, 2004 8:16 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by BrianC.

Thanks Masao!

LOL! I wasn't planning on a scale DM for a base, just something to mount like it was coming out of the wall looking down it's throat. I'm not too worried about scale, just interested in something to go with the theme. (My wife would kill me if I hung an 8.5 worm-looking thing on the wall.) I'll be lucky to get away with something the size of the opening of a 5 gal bucket. I plan on it protruding about 4 inches from the wall.

Darn! Eight and a half feet isn't all that big. I bet you didn't even ask your wife! She might say yes, ya never know. C'mon! Show some backbone!

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midnightprowler

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Posted by midnightprowler on Thursday, September 2, 2004 4:55 PM

Masao, clearly however, cannon shows the Constellation as NCC-1017. To change it is a discredit, IMO to the series and fans.
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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 9:25 PM

Thanks Masao!

LOL! I wasn't planning on a scale DM for a base, just something to mount like it was coming out of the wall looking down it's throat. I'm not too worried about scale, just interested in something to go with the theme. (My wife would kill me if I hung an 8.5 worm-looking thing on the wall.) I'll be lucky to get away with something the size of the opening of a 5 gal bucket. I plan on it protruding about 4 inches from the wall.

Just an idea for now. Wink [;)]

Heres a picture of what I have in mind:

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:15 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Mikeym_us

I got the Info from the Starfleet Museum page

I just wanted to say that I avoided any discussion of subclasses and subtypes of Constitution class ships from fandom in the Starfleet Museum. I certainly never said anything about Constellation being a Yorktown class ship. I did, however, change the registry to 1710.

Great job on this model, by the way. The out of alignment nacelle is a nice touch, although that's probably due to the poorly engineered stirrup and block attachment on the original kit! A scale Doomsday Machine wouldn't be all that large, only 9 times longer than Enterprise, or about 8.5 feet. Cardboard covered with styrofoam blocks, foil, and paper mache would do the trick!

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 6:01 PM

Speak of the devil! This looks interesting!

http://www.5yearmission.com/downloads.html

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roosterfish

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Posted by roosterfish on Sunday, August 22, 2004 7:01 PM

I have thought the same think a couple of months ago. Yes, the unthinkable. The Star Trek series has run its course and the producers are beating a dead horse. The writers are not dreamers anymore. Emotional actors are not around. Look at Decker and the Connie. I really believed he was hurting inside of him. He did go a little crazy when he killed his crew. He wanted revenge. He couldn't show crew of the Enterprise that he really wanted revenge on the Doomsday Machine.

I always thought the story was really a subtle "what if" story. Decker and Kirk were the same personality and if Kirk's Enterprise was destroyed then he would do the same thing Decker did. Kirk was always on the "edge" anyway.

I digress. The ST franchise is in still waters with a sinking ship with no help on the way.

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:16 AM

The tie in as a vengence weapon against the Borg sounds pretty cool.

I know what your saying about bad stories. Since the last couple movie and "Enterprise" I've been starting to think the unthinkable, should Trek be allowed to die? I know the fans will keep it alive and with more reverance.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, August 22, 2004 10:21 AM

Thanks Dan!

Roosterfish, I don't beilieve writers have written anything decent Trek wise since TNG specificly The Borg. Since then they rely on time travel, wormholes, blah blah blah. They NEED some serious writers in there.

Mikeym_us,
If you remember the title of that book, I would be greatful if you'ld post it. Sounds like a good read!

Brian

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Sunday, August 22, 2004 9:58 AM

actually I believe there was a ST:TNG book that had another Doomsday Machine piloted by a member of Guinans race that was used as a vengeance tool against the Borg I just dont remember the name of the book though.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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roosterfish

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Posted by roosterfish on Sunday, August 22, 2004 1:11 AM

Or how about the Federation using another Doomsday Machine to get rid of the Borg? A story on how the Federation gets another DM working and pointed in the direction of of Borg with the Enterprise 'running interference' until the DM can get in range? Maybe it is an old anti-weapon to fight the Borg? How about it was an old Borg weapon that can be used against themselves?

Why don't writers write anymore?

Thanks for the compliments on the DM. You are actually looking at an older version of the DM model. Since them it has been airbrushed so it has more contrast between the dark areas and the bright veins. And it is still blinking away with the belly button lights in my computer room.

You've got to love those blinking belly button lights. They are handy for making model effects.

EDIT: I forgot to mention my Connie avatar has a belly button light with fiber optic strands in the starboard engine. The fiber optic go out both the front and rear of the damaged engine and give the engine a sputtering effect.

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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Buddho

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Posted by Buddho on Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:15 PM

Excellent job on the Constellation, Brian!

Regards, Dan

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, August 21, 2004 11:11 PM

Maybe they were a deterent weapon like our nuclear arsenal. The civilizations that built them, destroyed by their own weapons. Maybe another will show up someday or better yet dozens flying toward the Sol system in attack formation!
Another thought I once had, was that one damaged? Was it behaving that way because it had been attacked or something like that? It looked pretty twisted.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 21, 2004 10:19 PM

QUOTE: Originally posted by Woody

Billy, That is one of the best Doomsday Machines I've ever seen built up!
Great job. Is it just me or has anyone else ever wondered what the back story of how the DM's came to be built? That would make a great motion picture.

I agree with Woody, that is a cool looking DM! I forgot about those little flashy things. I bought a couple to see how they would work in the Enterprise nacelles. Cool idea Billy!
Woody, now that you bring that up, I think the back story would be a great idea. I used to wonder why they didn't bring another one back in Next Gen. Would have been cool. Maybe even give it Borg tie ins. The machine was used to rid the systems of useless or lifeless planets the Borg couldn't assimilate or weren't of value.

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:23 PM

just think how big it would be in 1/1000th scale.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:57 PM

Billy, That is one of the best Doomsday Machines I've ever seen built up!
Great job. Approve [^]

Is it just me or has anyone else ever wondered what the back story of how the DM's came to be built? That would make a great motion picture.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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roosterfish

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Posted by roosterfish on Saturday, August 21, 2004 8:38 PM

For what it is worth I also have a lit Doomsday machine hanging around the Internet. You could find it here:

http://www.culttvman.com/billy_lehner_s_doomsday_machin.html

Winners never quit; quitters never win.

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, August 21, 2004 7:03 PM

Yes Sir, The Stargazer is a Constellation class.

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:40 PM

hey isnt that the StarGazer

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Woody

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Posted by Woody on Saturday, August 21, 2004 2:44 PM

I thought a picture of an actual Constellation class starship might help clear things up. My 2 cents [2c]

" I wish to have no connection with any ship that does not sail fast; for I intend to go in harm's way." --John Paul Jones

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, August 21, 2004 1:08 PM

did anyone ever notice that the Bussard scoops on the Enterprise Studio model arent exactly round. they have a somewhat rounded shape with pointed ends. Oh and Brian as for the Doomsday Machine you can use a Ice cream bucket and some chicken wire to make the model.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, August 21, 2004 9:35 AM

That works for me :-)

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midnightprowler

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Posted by midnightprowler on Saturday, August 21, 2004 6:42 AM

Brian, I'm with you on that explanation of the detail diffrences between the ships, it also would make sense to say theat the Constellation was built before Enterprise, as the nubering on her hull would indicate, NCC-1017, verses NCC-1701 and so on.
Lee

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 20, 2004 5:40 PM

Thanks Snoopy!

I agree about the Constellation being a Constitution class. I believe when the Constellation first appeared on screen, it was meant to be the same class as the Enterprise. After the fan frenzy started to realize that the model used as the Constellation was different in appearance (due to it being an off the shelf AMT kit) the fans tried to explain it off as a different class. I always thought there were 12 Constitution class starships who's names appeared on the decalsheet of the AMT kit.
It doesn't bother me thet fans and authors started referring to it as another seperate class. I even made up a myth of my own to explain the diferences in the 2 models. I say they are both Constitution class ships, only the Enterprise (being the fleet flagship) went through refits and upgrades first, while the others of the same class had begun, but not necessarily finished their upgrades when they were called to service. That explains the b/c deck differences & the nacell tail end caps .
Hey why not ;)

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Posted by SNOOPY on Friday, August 20, 2004 5:22 PM

Not to start any type of argument but I have spent the last hour going through websites about classes of ships. So far I have found that the USS Constellation is a Constitution Class starship. You can refer to the STAR TREK ENCYLOPEDIA, WWW.STARTREK.COM, the link: http://www.memory-alpha.org/en/index.php/Image:Whispers_List.jpg, and the Star Fleet Museum. Now I have noticed that in the museum, they talk about these diffent classes of starships that is not mentioned in the official Star Trek website or encylodeia or even in the episodes. USS Constellation, 1701, is a Constitution Class starship according to Roddenbury. Everyone needs to remember that as more and more Star Trek fans appear, the designers have been introducing different classes of Star Ship to keep the interest and stories going. This is a little of topic but I am surprised that if Star Fleet is made up of different species of the Federation of Planets then how come all Star Fleet vessels are American/Earth titles? Gets ya thinking huh???

Brian, as far as your model, What a great job!!! The damage looks awesome. Kind of reminds me of Toy Story where the kid next door does surgery and mixes up parts from other toys and creates new mutated toys. Awesome work!!!!

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Mikeym_us

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Friday, August 20, 2004 4:40 PM

I got the Info from the Starfleet Museum page

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15 http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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midnightprowler

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Posted by midnightprowler on Friday, August 20, 2004 1:19 PM

What i'd like to know, is where did you get the info that the Constellation is a Yorktown Class ship? To the best of my knowledge, both the Yorktown and the Constellation are sister ships to the Enterprise, and Constitution class ships.
Lee

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Anonymous

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, August 20, 2004 6:20 AM

QUOTE: Originally posted by matthew9

Brian, It's the "what if " that has kept me comming back to the work bench for years!

Hi Matthew9
Same here! In fact, It's one of the main reasons they take me so long. Big Smile [:D]

I sometimes put projects off to the side for a looong time waiting for some fresh inspiration to hit me. I usually don't finish a kit in a week or two. This one I started back in mid November. Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

QUOTE: Originally posted by roosterfish
Great job making the model. The Connie has always been my favorite ship. The Doomsday Machine story and the Connie always reminded me of the kid story of The Little Engine That Could. Nice looking rendition of the Connie you have there! :D

Thanks Roosterfish!
I like your version too! It has alot of the things I was thinking of doing with this one. The Nacelle domes and the weathering are done very well!
I just always liked partially destroyed ships over the brand spankin' new look. Nothing like a ship wreck to set the imagination to warp speed. The Constellation was always on top of that list. Next I think is the 1701 refit then the 1701-D crash scene, then maybe the 1701-C. Great stuff! Thumbs Up [tup]

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