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OLD robotech kits.....
Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 5:43 PM
Does anyone remember the old Robotech or mabe battletech kits of the 80's?
One that I built had six legs on a tank like body with turret. the body was about the size of a 1/35 scale tank....very cool .

Just wondering if they were still around

Thanks in advance for responce
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Posted by philp on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:08 PM
They show up on ebay quite a bit. I was only able to get one of Mech's before they quit making them. It would be a Battlemaster in 1/72 (don't remember the Revell name). I also picked up a couple of the scout vehicles in 1/48th. A 6 wheeled ATV and a hover jeep?
I would love to get a few more Mech's from Battletech in 72nd but the kits on ebay just go for too high a price.
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Posted by Gundamhead on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 8:27 PM
It was from a series called "Dougram" and the name was the 1/72 Dessert Gunner made by Takara. Ebay is your best bet.

The Revell Robotech line of models were taken from 3 series. Macross, Orguss, and Dougram. They were identical to the Japanese kits except for the boxes and instructions for the paint schemes.
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Posted by philp on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 10:38 PM
Here is a pic of mine
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, September 2, 2004 8:52 AM
Everyone I talk to says the Hasegawa kits are good, so, I'd look out for those.... Never actually built any of them yet though....

Gwizz: I have no idea what you're talking about, but it's not Robotech, never seen anything like it...
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, September 2, 2004 2:10 PM
I've seen it. Akuma, remember it's not the TV 'Robotech' Gwhizz is taking about.

When that six-legged tank appears on Ebay it usually bring in a price of $50.00 or more. I think it was one of the fewest produced of Revell's 'Robotech' line. That may be why Akuma never saw it.

 

 

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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, September 2, 2004 2:23 PM
Well looky, looky...............Big Smile [:D]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1193&item=5918776802&rd=1

I considered keeping it too myself but I felt too guilty...................Wink [;)]

 

 

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Posted by DanCooper on Thursday, September 2, 2004 2:30 PM
I just wonder why there is something like a Cobra-fuselage in that box ?

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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, September 2, 2004 3:48 PM
WHAT!!!??? Banged Head [banghead]

 

 

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Posted by philp on Thursday, September 2, 2004 4:05 PM
The Helicopter fits with the series (different enough from the Cobra). Think they call it a Duey (duh). Several of the kits came with ground vehicles which were WWII jeeps, trucks, etc but some mounted a huge laser (to make if look more futuristic). Only got to see Robotech on TV a few times (and this was several years ago). Never rented the videos or checked out Dougram.
Still think they should develope a movie or series around BattleTech. Several of the books were really good and the technophiles would eat up the Mech's.
I know there were at least a couple of low budget movies using the Mech theme (Robot Jox?) but never watched any of them either.
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:01 PM
Philip,

Found these links to your model.

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/dougram/dougram/nativedancer.htm

http://dougram.battletechnology.org/Dougram/NativeData.htm

 

 

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Posted by Gundamhead on Thursday, September 2, 2004 7:10 PM
Yup, that's the Duey. It's not supposed to be with that kit. Nice little bonus for whoever gets it. Nifty little 'copter.

Allt the anime below have models in various scales of the mecha from the shows in Japan. Only 3 were Revell releases in the US.

Revell's Robotech is a little different than the TV Robotech. Only about 1/2 of Revel's Robotech kits had anything to do with the Robotech cartoon. Macross, Orguss, and Dougram.

To further baffle you, the Robotech cartoon was 3 seperate anime shows spliced into 3 generations. Macross, Southern Cross, and Mospeada.

As a side note, there were 2 kits for Mospeada from Monogram under the GO-BOTS line.

All thge kits can be found in their original Japanese release boxes fairly consitently on Ebay.

Hasagawa only does the Valkyries from Macross, and they were released in the later half of the 90's.

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Thursday, September 2, 2004 8:56 PM
hey Hasegawa also did the Battledroid VF-1's

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Posted by Gundamhead on Friday, September 3, 2004 9:08 PM
That's what a Valkyrie is. It's a tranforming fighter. The Valkyrie has 3 basic forms, Fighter, Gerwalk, and Battroid. Hasagawa's kits are 1/72 and only the fighter and Battroid are available so far. We can only hope for the Gerwalks.

Fighter= Aircraft
Gerwalk= A plane with arms and legs
Battroid= A humanoid mecha

There are several different VFs. (Valkyrie Fighter)

VF-1A All around soldier, AKA cannon fodder, single laser head
VF-1J A Special Japanese version, Officer, 2 Laser head
VF-1D 2 seat Valkrie, 2 laser head
VF-1S Commanding Officer, 4 laser head
VT-1 2 seat trainer, unarmed (The 'T' is Valkyrie Trainer)
VE-1 EWAC bird (The 'E' is Valkyrie Electronics)

Each of these VFs can have the addition of extra armor, weapons, and boosters. They are used only in space though. That's known as a Super Valkrie. FAST packs are equipped to the arms and legs along with 2 big back mounted boosters.

Another version adds a big double barrle cannon to a booster pack. This version is known as a Heavy Weapons Type (HEWAT) or more commonly as a Strike Valkrie.

This covers all the Hasagawa kits that would be found in Robotech. There are other Macross series Valkyries from newer animes about Macross. Macross Plus, Macross 7, and Macross 0 all have Hasagawa models now, but do not have any ties to Robotech, or Revell's Robotech.
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Posted by madmike on Friday, September 3, 2004 9:18 PM
I have the Valkyrie fighter from Robotech. Looks great in the box.

I am going to do a Battletech LAM (Land Air Mech) from House Davion with mine. Got all the decals from Piranha and just need to find some time to get started!

Love to have a couple of Battroids though. A Marauder (Zentaedi Glaug officers battlepod) springs immediately to mind!

:cheers:

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Posted by Gunga_Gin on Friday, September 3, 2004 9:45 PM
Very cool. Thanks for taking us back. I actually have that sand stalker built back in the 80s. It's sitting in my parts box along with some other Robotech kits like the blue Trigon and a 4-legged variant of the sand stalker. This one has a cannon in the hull like a tank destroyer. I tried to collect them all as a kid.
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Posted by philp on Saturday, September 4, 2004 11:57 PM
Gwhizz,
This the one you were talking about?

Here is a link
http://www.fantastic-plastic.com/DESERT%20GUNNER%20PAGE.htm
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Posted by philp on Sunday, September 5, 2004 12:02 AM
Mike,
Thanks for the links to the Bromley. The SRM launchers have a crappy fit and didn't seem to fit with a scout vehicle so I ditched them (actually used one of them on my Moo-rine power armor).
I also swapped the gun for one from the hovervehicle set. Just looked better.
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Posted by Gundamhead on Sunday, September 5, 2004 12:40 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Gunga_Gin

Very cool. Thanks for taking us back. I actually have that sand stalker built back in the 80s. It's sitting in my parts box along with some other Robotech kits like the blue Trigon and a 4-legged variant of the sand stalker. This one has a cannon in the hull like a tank destroyer. I tried to collect them all as a kid.


The squat 4 legged guy with the off center mounted cannon is Dougram's 1/72 'Blizzard Gunner'.
The tall 4 legger is the 'Crab Gunner', and the Crab Gunner with side platforms mounted to the hull is the 'Tequila Gunner'. These guys came in both 1/72 and 1/48.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 9:36 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

I've seen it. Akuma, remember it's not the TV 'Robotech' Gwhizz is taking about.

When that six-legged tank appears on Ebay it usually bring in a price of $50.00 or more. I think it was one of the fewest produced of Revell's 'Robotech' line. That may be why Akuma never saw it.


Nope, never saw this thing before...

What is it from, then? Since Robotech that we know was actually a few diff series put together, or something...
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Posted by Mikeym_us on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 1:57 PM
well that "6 legged tank" has some German ties and I believe there was a Anime series that had to do with the germans but for the love of me I cant remember the name of that show.

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Posted by madmike on Tuesday, September 7, 2004 11:28 PM
Robotech came from the adult anime show "Macross" that was shown in Japan. I have some vids at home from that series and they certainly are not for kids viewing.

Battletech licensed the Battroids and Valkyrie type fighters which became Battlemechs as part of the game. They 4 legged mech was called a "Goliath" in the game

cheers

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Posted by Aurora-7 on Wednesday, September 8, 2004 12:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by madmike

Robotech came from the adult anime show "Macross" that was shown in Japan. I have some vids at home from that series and they certainly are not for kids viewing.



Along with 'Macross', Robotech also used the anime series 'Armies of the Southern Cross' (The Dana Sterling and Robotech Masters part of Robotech and the most changed from it's original story line. The original one didn't even take place on Earth!) and the series 'Mospeada: Genisis Climber' (the Invid stories for Robotech).

Alt three animated series were from the same production company (hence why they all featured transforming mecha) and they sold the three series to an American company (Harmony Gold - a dark force to those who prefer the original Macross) who then tweaked the dialogue to create a consistent story line. Just as an FYI, 'protoculture was part of the original Macross story line but it was not a power source.

I'm not sure how Revell picked up the 'Robotech' name. I think it was because Revell happened to pick up Macross kits and latter found out an American company was going to air the Macross TV series and got permission to use the name.

The walking tank is from the anime series 'Dougram' . I don't think it was ever translated (not for the US, anyway). Dougram was a competing studio's answer to 'Gundam'

As for the series being viewable for kids, American censors clipped the more 'inappropriate' scenes from the aired episodes (Min Mae's exposed tushi in a shower scene and the blood stained body of a dying Roy Focker).

 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 2:46 PM
Hobby Link Japan has a whole variety of the Macross (Robotech) series from Bandai, Hasegawa, and several others.

Most of the Bandai models are made to turn into the three different forms of the aircraft. But the Hasegawa models are the aircraft and one or two .
There's different versions of the VF-1...(A,D,S,J, ELINT, Fast Pack) along with the VF-11, VF-19, and the VF-22
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7
Alt three animated series were from the same production company (hence why they all featured transforming mecha). Dougram was a competing studio's answer to 'Gundam'


You sure about those facts??

Last time I checked Dougram and Gundam were BOTH made by Nippon Sunrise, taken from the the Sunrise Robots Complete File 1 & 2.

Genesis Climber MOSPEADA (R) is the property of Tatsunoko Productions/Artmic Studios.

Southern Cross was produced by Big West & Tatsunoko Productions.

Orguss was produced by Hero & J.C. Staff Animation studio.

Macross was created by Studio Nue and Artland.

Crusher Joe is another Nippon Sunrise & Studio Nue.
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Posted by Aurora-7 on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:13 PM
I spoke of the animated series 'Robotech' only, not of the model kits. The kits were spread over from different animated series from different production companies. And I base my statements on something I read some years ago about the Robotech series so I can not say I'm 100% sure about all 3 series being part of the same animation studio or company.

 

 

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Posted by Mikeym_us on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 5:13 PM
well here is a thread I posted featuring a model of the Mospeada ride armour http://www.finescale.com/fsm/community/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27897

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:09 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

I spoke of the animated series 'Robotech' only, not of the model kits. The kits were spread over from different animated series from different production companies. And I base my statements on something I read some years ago about the Robotech series so I can not say I'm 100% sure about all 3 series being part of the same animation studio or company.


I spoke of the ORIGINAL Anime series as they were shown in JAPAN, NOT the kits either as they were licenced to different companies.

The info I gave can be verified via a number of sources like the "Anime News Nework site", I also wasn't too sure of all the info I was going to post so I verified it to make sure it was 100%.


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Posted by Aurora-7 on Thursday, October 14, 2004 7:52 AM
The Dougram info, I got from this site:

http://dougram.battletechnology.org/Dougram/Introduction.htm

And if you go to his main site ( http://www.knowltonsworld.com/ ) and check under 'Killer Classics' he has several other anime series write-ups -plus you can look there are individual write-ups for the Dougram mecha. I wish Cartoon Network or Tech TVs Anime Unleashed would show a dubbed version of that series.




 

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, October 14, 2004 8:01 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Aurora-7

The Dougram info, I got from this site:
http://dougram.battletechnology.org/Dougram/Introduction.htm


"Dougram was created by Ryosuke Takahashi (who is also known for Votoms, Vifam, Galien, and Layzner)" all those are NIPPON SUNRISE animations.

I always try to get as close to the original source as possible to verify facts, being able to read japanese and having contacts in the japanese anime industry help of course. Wink [;)]
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