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Decomissioning the USS Samurai

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Decomissioning the USS Samurai
Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 10, 2003 10:20 AM
Here it is, my TOS era, one nacelle, Frigate, the USS Samurai (Warrior class). The ship is seen, as it looked at the return of it's final tour of duty, just proir to its decomissioning. Just go down to the Samurai.

http://home.comcast.net/~thewoozle/models.htm

I wanted it to look like the Enterprise, as seen in the DS-9 episode and it occured to me that a combat ship, looking that weather beaten, would probobly have at least one fight behind it too...

I drew the panel lines on, with a pencil, then airbrushed thinned gray in shadow areas and more on one side, then the other. Then, I airbrushed thinned white, onto raised areas and again, more on one side, then the other, to give it that slightly faded, uneaven look.

One of my pet peeves is seeing a model that has a nice looking finish and excellent weathering, but has shiney, new, decals.. Since those markings are usually painted on, they should look exactly like the paint around them. On the Samurai, the R is not only smudged by blast damage, but also partially cut-off by the replacement hull plate.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 10, 2003 10:41 AM
Woozle,

Great job on the Samurai! Great looking weathering.

A little OT, but I think that your Bridge of Sorrows looks incredible. I've always had a soft spot in my heart for that miniature. Great job on the dragon! It's refreshing to see him not colored in red for the 200th time. Nice site!

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Posted by J-Hulk on Friday, October 10, 2003 11:23 AM
Great job, and great weathering!
I just realized something...what kind of "weather" do we get in space?
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, October 10, 2003 11:40 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by J-Hulk
[I just realized something...what kind of "weather" do we get in space?


an average of one particle of dust, every cubic meter... at speeds of hundreds, to millions of meters per second. The big deflector dish is there to help make a bow wave, to keep ships from having as much resistance as the space shuttle trying to plow through the atmosphere on re-entry...

Some NASA experament put a materials test package in orbit, for a while, it was badly pitted and coated with dust.
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, October 10, 2003 2:29 PM
A real beauty there! I'm not a huge star trek fan, but after looking at some of the recent submissions, I might have to reconsider. I'm in awe.

madda
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Posted by J-Hulk on Friday, October 10, 2003 2:39 PM
Right, forgot about all the dust and micro-meteors and whatnot. And after just seeing a special on Discovery the other day showing special fabrics used to wrap parts of the International Space Station to protect it from just such "weathering!"
I was thinking of the word "weathering" directly as "effects of exposure to weather (wind, rain, snow, etc)," rather than the more accurate "effects of exposure to external forces (space dust, meteors, solar radiation, etc)."

Whatever we wanna call it, your USS Samurai looks great!
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Posted by maddafinga on Friday, October 10, 2003 10:09 PM
Of course, General Products hulls are impervious to all external forces, but they didn't use those in the trek universe, alas.

How about hydrogen crystals as snow, driven by the solar wind. I'm still drawing a blank on rain though. Dust would still be dust. Wouldn't the shields protect it from much of that?

I really like the blast damage and replacement panels by the way. Very nice work.

madda
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Posted by paulnchamp on Friday, October 10, 2003 10:34 PM
Nicely done, Prince! I love the weathering effects - they're perfect.
Paul "A man's GOT to know his limitations."
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 12:22 AM
"General Products hull". Ah, I haven't read on of those stories in a long time. I remember they were indestructable, transparent, and massproduced. Who wrote those books?
Any way nice ship. Is it me or is the forward hull slightly pointed? SWEET!
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Posted by Woody on Wednesday, November 5, 2003 6:07 AM
Very nicely done. It looks like it's been through some serious combat.Cool [8D]

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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, November 6, 2003 7:45 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by MartianGundamModeler

"General Products hull". Ah, I haven't read on of those stories in a long time. I remember they were indestructable, transparent, and massproduced. Who wrote those books?
Any way nice ship. Is it me or is the forward hull slightly pointed? SWEET!



Larry Niven, one of my favorite writers. He had a whole known space universe. He's more of a hard science writer, and maybe not as popular as some of the more fantasy sci-fi guys. He's one of the best I've ever read though. If you get a chance, pick up A Gift From Earth, it's an obscure one, but truly excellent. I love books.
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Posted by Woody on Thursday, November 6, 2003 5:30 PM
Niven is my favorite Sci-fi writer. I heard a rumour that "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" is being considered as a film! Cool [8D]

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Posted by maddafinga on Thursday, November 6, 2003 6:16 PM
As far as Heinlein goes, I wouldn't mind seeing that, as long as they don't stray like they did in Starship Troopers. Not that it wasn't a good movie, I really liked it, but it wasn't very close to the book. The only thing wrong with Starship Troopers the book is that it was about a thousand pages too short.

A great book I'd love to see as a movie is Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card. He's another great writer. He wrote The Abyss you know, and they did an excellent job on that.

I'd love to see a movie of some of Niven's Beowuld Scheaffer stuff, or maybe some Gil "the Arm" Hamilton stuff too, that was excellent. I recently re-read World of Ptavvs, and had forgotten how good that one is as well. He is truly a great writer, but not all of it would translate very well to the big screen. Many people are turned off by real science as well for some reason. Alas.

Any of you guys like Phillip K Dick?
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, November 6, 2003 11:20 PM
Did you guys ever see that episode that Niven wrote for Star Trek: The Animated Series? He converted one of his Kzinti stories to the Trek universe. It's about status boxes and slavers, called The Slaver Weapon.
So... ummm... I guess that helps tie this tread together?
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Posted by MartianGundamModeler on Thursday, November 6, 2003 11:43 PM
Indeed it does. I can tell by your name "Gojulas" you too are a fellow Zoid modeler who has somehow found his way here as well. But back on topic. Is the forward hull of this ship pointed?
"Some men look at things the way they are and ask ' Why?'. I dream of things that never were and ask "Why not?".--Robert Kennedy taken from George Bernard Shaw's "Back To Methuselah" (Thanks to TomZ2) http://martiangundammodels.50megs.com/index.html
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Posted by Woody on Saturday, November 15, 2003 2:57 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by maddafinga

How about hydrogen crystals as snow, driven by the solar wind. I'm still drawing a blank on rain though. Dust would still be dust. Wouldn't the shields protect it from much of that?

madda
They have a dish somewhere in their design that is called the "Deflector Array". This piece of equipment supposedly projects a field ahead of the ship to keep object from striking the ship at warp speeds.

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Posted by mark956 on Saturday, November 15, 2003 9:16 AM
Great pictures woozle.
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Posted by maddafinga on Sunday, November 16, 2003 10:33 PM

They have a dish somewhere in their design that is called the "Deflector Array". This piece of equipment supposedly pojects a field ahead of the ship to keep object from striking the ship at warp speeds.


Now, I'm not a Trekkie, so forgive me if I'm wrong here. I always thought that when they were in warp drive they weren't in normal space and so dust and micro meteorites and such wouldn't be a factor. As long as they steered clear of singularities I'd think they were pretty much safe from everything. Now in normal space, all that would be a hazard, so in orbit and slow speed, in system travel would be pretty hazardous. I could be wrong, because I'm not really well grounded in the Trek universe, but that's the way I've always had it figured.
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Posted by Woody on Sunday, November 16, 2003 11:43 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by maddafinga



Now, I'm not a Trekkie, so forgive me if I'm wrong here. I always thought that when they were in warp drive they weren't in normal space and so dust and micro meteorites and such wouldn't be a factor. As long as they steered clear of singularities I'd think they were pretty much safe from everything. Now in normal space, all that would be a hazard, so in orbit and slow speed, in system travel would be pretty hazardous. I could be wrong, because I'm not really well grounded in the Trek universe, but that's the way I've always had it figured.
You could be right maddafinga. I do remember in the Motion Picture they had a problem with a meteorite in the warp worm hole, so by Star Trek standards there is a possiblity of objects in warp. My 2 cents [2c]

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Posted by maddafinga on Monday, November 17, 2003 1:14 AM
Hmmm, showing my lack of grounding in Star Trek I suppose. So the warp works like a worm hole and not so much by changing the ships relationship to space eh. Interesting. I love a well thought out faster than light speed travel method. Arthur Clarke and Larry Niven are the kings of that. Orson Scott Card did a very good job of it in Ender's Game as well. Sci-fi is wonderful.
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Posted by Kugai on Sunday, February 22, 2004 3:02 PM
Still catching up here. I know this was a while ago, but here's my ( very late )response.

Warp drive "shrinks" space immediately around the ship. Quick example:

You're driving a car down a straight stretch of road that's 50 miles long ( say in Nebraska or Kansas ). The warp drive would be a device that allows you to "compress" the road immediately around you ( but not you or the car )by a factor of, let's say, 10. With it off, you can cross the distance in 50 minutes if you're going at 60 mph. With it on, you cross it in 5 minutes with the odometer staying on 60.

Back to Trek, this is what warp drive does on a much larger scale. The ship, to an outside observer, crosses the distance at faster-than-light speeds while avoiding trouble from the Law of Relativity in its local space ( if you measured the speed of the interstellar gas and dust passing through the warp field for an "airspeed" reading, they'd be passing at far less than light speed ).

Here's the catch, and the potential cause for weathering on ships in Trek. The interstellar material's density is increased proportionate to the compression caused by the field. Even the best deflector device won't be 100% effective, so something will occasionally hit the hull. Minimizing the damage from these occasional hits is the reason for the aerodynamic shape of the ships in Trek, even if they never enter an atmosphere like the Voyager.

By the way, this is based on what Gene Roddenberry originally had in mind, and it was enough to impress Isaac Azimov, who stated that the idea of Warp was the only theory for faster-than-light travel that he'd ever encountered that used known physics to cheat Einstein. Since TNG, the franchise has changed things to make them more fantasticAngry [:(!].

Ye gods, I need a life!Tongue [:P]

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, February 22, 2004 6:00 PM
Super sharp Woozle. Good job
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