heller 1/150 passat

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Hi, 

That's looking really nice.

Pat

thank's pat , think I have finished all the decking , got all the yards , painted and oiled up , now to attach some block's , I am only going to use the supplied one's , think I might have a go at painting them see what they look like .

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Steve,

I'm not sure you want to hear this, but the vast majority of the spars in big steel windjammers were made of steel and painted.

The usual color was called "salmon buff." The Heller box art actually got it about right.

How much you want your fine model to look like the real ship is, of course, entirely up to you. But if you're going to paint the spare, the job won't get any easier than it is now.

Floquil (old Polly Scale) has a nice color named "Depot Buff".

I just noticed this thread.  You are building a beautiful model, and I am impressed with your work.  Heller intrigues me; for every beautifully done model kit, there seems to be a fantasy ship as well.  For example, they are re-releasing their five-masted barque Cap Horn later this year. This ship never existed. However, it converts easily into one of the few five-masted barques.  The Flying P-Line had a very near-sister to ,  named Petosi, one of the Flying P-Liners.  Being based on the Preussen, both share many features.  This is convenient because the kit called the Cap Horn is also based strongly on the Heller kit of the Preussen.  I am currently working on that kit for my son.  Your work is inspiring me.

Bill Morrison

Steve,

The more your model gets fitted out, the more impressive it becomes.  

scott , thank's for the nice word's

bill ,with your skills I'm sure you will do a beautiful job , [any chance of some pic's ]when I started this kit , I wasn't too sure about it , but the more I get into it , the more I'm appreciating it . the instruction's are still crappy , but I'm getting through it .

gmorrison , thank's for the colour

prof jtilley , I sort of guessed that was the case , but the instruction's said oak , and I thought the deck is wood , and they do look good together . but for future reference ,thank's for the proper colour name

I need some help , the instructions show where the blocks go , and what goes where , but in french , I think P means a double block and M a single , is this right , can any-one please shed some light

"M" is "marche-pieds", or footrope. 

"P" is "poulies". or pulley. There's apparently a detail showing how to tie it off.

"Guillaume"

cheer's gmorrison ,as you could probably tell , I had no idea .

steve5

Google Translate can be useful in such cases, it gives "step", "footboard" and "stool" as translations of marche-pieds which should give you the idea that it is something one stands on, from which the mental leap to "footrope" is not a very long one. "Poulie" is correctly translated as "pulley".

A plain Google search for "marche-pied rigging" (without the quotes) gives a number of results in google books, the second of which is Falconer's dictionary of marine terms. The page in question identifies "Horse" as being the same as "marche-pied", usefully indicating that it is "a rope reaching from the middle of a yard to its extremity...for the sailors to tread on", without actually calling it a footrope.

thankyou Staale S , falconers dictionary went into the favourite's ,

I tried putting the footropes on , I wasn't doing a very good job , so I took them off

I found some pics of the actual ship , I think this is how it is rigged , if I am wrong , I am open to any suggestions or critisism's

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this is the site with the pictures I have been following

http://www.jans-sajt.se/contents/Navigation/Galleries/Germany_Passat.htm

For footropes, sometimes the answer is annealed steel wire, as it can be bent to an ppropriate shape.

But that might be very frustrating for yards already on the mast.

thank's capnmac82 , I didn't even consider wire , and I should have , I think you might be right about the frustration part too unfortunately .

Steve, nice project and nice work.

thank's steve , started my rat lines , the rigging on this ship is very different from anything I have done before .

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just noticed I forgot to wax my lines

Just want to jump in and say what a pleasure it is watching this come along.

thank's templer  , this so different to what I am use to , but really enjoyable too .

steve

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finally able to get on with some more rigging , [ my back went on me again ]

I am only doing the bare amount of rigging on this ship , I believe that's how it is in dock .

could someone tell me what the 2 middle mast's are called ,I know the fore and mizzen , is it main front and rear ??

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steve5

could someone tell me what the 2 middle mast's are called ,I know the fore and mizzen , is it main front and rear ??

It seems to have varied a bit.

The most usual nomenclature seems to be, from the front: Fore, main, mizzen and jigger (alternatively "spanker"). In effect, they have added a new mast at the end, not inserted one into the middle.

A variant (perhaps Germany-centric): Fore, main, middle, mizzen. Here they _have_ inserted a new one into the middle of the set.

Steve,

In my book - "Seamanship in the Age of Sail" by John Harland - I found on page 54 a reference to the nomenclature of German ship masts as given by a German writer named F. L. Middendorf. Middendorf suggests the best names for the masts in a fully rigged five masted ship are, from the front of the ship:

Fock-mast (foremast)
Gross-mast (large mast*)
Mittel-mast (medium mast)
Haupt-mast (mainmast*)
Kreuz-mast (cross mast) - or, in the case of a 5 masted barque, Besahn mast.

* gross and haupt are both synonymous with the English 'main'".

For the four masted ships one just omits the Mittel-mast.

I hope this is of some interest.

thank's gentlemen , appreciate the information .