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  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, September 28, 2008 6:23 PM
Thank you all for the advice. It certainly helps to alleviate some of the anguish of setting these ships up. My main problem at this point is to get the hull square and secure while setting on the kneel. The next problem would be the masts relative to the hull. All the information posted is helpful.

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  • Member since
    May 2003
  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Friday, September 26, 2008 4:39 PM

I'm not sure I completely understand the original question, but I think it boils down to how the masts can be kept straight and vertical while the model's under construction.  The means by which the model is fastened to the baseboard shouldn't have any effect on that - provided that (a) the hull is lined up right vertically, and (b) it isn't allowed to wiggle on the base.  If you're worried about the latter, consider cutting a few wood wedges to the appropriate size and jamming them between the hull and the baseboard until the model's finished.  (Maybe stick some felt to them so they don't damage the finish on the hull bottom.)

Schoonerbumm's idea for lining up the masts is interesting, and I don't see any reason why it shouldn't work, unless the masts are raked at varying angles.  It sticks in my mind that the Cutty Sark's are - very slightly (i.e., the mizzenmast leans a little further aft than the mainmast, which leans a little further aft than the foremast).  If I'm right on that point (maybe I'm not), the masts are slightly farther apart at their upper extremities than at their feet.

Personally, I've always found it easiest to install and rig the masts of a ship like that one section at a time.  That is - step all three lower masts, set up their standing rigging, install the topmasts and install their standing rigging, etc.  There's no substitute for the good ol' Mk. I Eyeball in lining up the masts, but various things can help.  The most obvious is to hang a plumb line someplace where you can always see it, and use it periodically to line up the mast you're working on.  You can do something similar to set the rake of the masts:  mark the proper angle on a big piece of paper and hang it on the wall behind the model.

A modern, high-tech (at least by my standards) tool that can be of help in this job is a laser level - the kind that projects a bright red horizontal or vertical line on any object that's in front of it.  (I've got one that I bought at Sears about five years ago for about $35; I think similar ones can be had much cheaper now.  It's easy to justify to the household's Significant Other:  a laser level is great for such jobs as hanging picture frames, plumbing garden stakes, etc.)  Set the model on a table and the laser level directly in line with the front of it.  (Whether the table is level doesn't matter - provided it's flat and the model and the laser level are both sitting solidly on it.)Turn on the laser and point it at the foremast.  If the mast is straight and vertical, it will light up throughout its length.  (If the mast and the laser line diverge, the mast is leaning.  If the laser lights up one or more spots on the mast, the mast is crooked.)

All these tricks will help, but I repeat:  there's no substitute for developing an eye for this sort of thing.  Remember also that, unless you're going to operate the model in some extremely low-tolerance environment (what it would be I can't imagine), what matters most is how the finished product looks to the human eye.  If it looks right, it is right.

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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  • Member since
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  • From: Monterey Bay, CA
Posted by schoonerbumm on Friday, September 26, 2008 2:17 PM

One approach is to take a stiff piece of plastic, or wood, about the length of the hull, locate the relative positions of the mast heads based on plans (and checked against the mast openings in the actual deck), and drill holes just large enough to slip over the mast heads, BEFORE YOU GLUE THE MASTS IN PLACE. This will provide a jig for both side to side and relative fore and aft alignment. If your hull is square to the base, and you align this fixture square to the base, your masts will be square. Obviously, if the masts are of varying heights, notches will have to replace holes for the taller masts. 

Your eyeball, a tape measure and this removable "fixture" can help keep masts square relative to the hull and each other and provides a means of rechecking alignment as shrouds and stays are added and tensioned. Using this approach, the mast to hull mounting locations can be slightly oversize, just like on a real vessel, and made rigid (or not) later in the construction process.

Alan

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  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Friday, September 26, 2008 2:10 PM

Shipwreck,

If you look at my pictures you will see a set of stanions I ordered from Model Expo. I had to cut the sides of the "channel" down (to make them wider to accept the keel.  The model looks like it is leaning, but it is not. I completed the model while on the base, so that shold not be a problem for you.

Jake

 

 

  • Member since
    May 2006
  • From: Chapin, South Carolina
Base for a sailing ship
Posted by Shipwreck on Friday, September 26, 2008 10:17 AM
I am building a base for my Ferriera/Cutty Sark (no it is not finished; but I do have a base and a hull). I have three holes in the kneel, and three nuts epoxied into the hull. I used levels to make sure it was square; so that the masts would be perpendicular. It still seems to list slightly.

The fix for this application is easy. The Ferriera will be set on blocks, dry dock style, and any variation can be adjusted with braces along the hull. The real question is how do yo keep a sailing ship balanced where the top of the mast is twenty or more inches from the base and the kneel is set up on stanchions with no other lateral support? Any error at the base is multiplied as you go up the mast. I am thinking about my Cutty Sark build!

Or, do you do the best you can so that the variance not significant enough for anyone to notice?

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