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Unusual paint-scheme of USS Constitution in 1844 - 45. Paintings? Sources?

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Unusual paint-scheme of USS Constitution in 1844 - 45. Paintings? Sources?
Posted by Marcus.K. on Monday, November 3, 2008 10:35 AM

Hello Friends of Old Ironsides,

I know, this beauty is for some of you a boring issues - since the questions (and answers) are often the same.

Well I got something new (more or less):

Does anyone know paintings or other sources (exept Tyrone Martins describtions) about the ships paint-scheme in 1844 during the "world-tour"?

Tyrone Martins says that "below the equator" the ship was painted white with a red gun strake!

Are there any historical paintings known ? Or even better, any photos (probably in black/white - but that the colors seem to be inverse should be visible.) Or does anyone know any historcal source for this extraordinary information? 

Thanks in advance!

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Posted by Russ39 on Monday, November 3, 2008 12:44 PM

Marcus:

So far as I know there are no paintings or photos of the Constitution in her odd white'red paint scheme. If there were, Martin's research would have turned them up.

I have read through Martin's text in that instance and looked at the sources he cited for that chapter. In the text he quotes someone, probably Capt. Percival or one of the ship's officers, with regard to the Brazilian's reaction to the odd paint job. If he is using a direct quote, it seems certain it is from a primary source. I could not imagine Martin using such a quote that did not come from a primary source.

Looking at the bibliography for that chapter, the most likely primary sources would be either the ship's log or one of the several journals kept by the midshipmen on board. I checked Martin's website where he gives excerpts from the ship's log and there is no mention of the paint job in the log excerpts. One would think if the paint job had been noted in the log, Martin would have excerpted that on his website. He did not, so that leaves the midshipmen's journals noted in the bibliography as the most likely sources for the description of the white and red paint job in 1844.

If you are really curious, go to Martin's website and send him an email asking him for the source for that detail. I am sure he can tell you where he found it.

Russ 

 

 

 

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Posted by Marcus.K. on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 1:54 AM

I followed your advice and did send an e-mail - and here is what I got as answer (part of it - the captains clerk is very polite and I got really a lot answers meanwhile!).

Turning to the ship, the white hull with red gun streak are well documented.
Captain Percival hoped thereby to ameliorate living conditions while in the
tropics.  The change was made while the ship was at Rio (the hammopck cloths
being kept black, by the way), and was maintained until the stop at Tourane,
Cochin China, when the black and white scheme was restored.  I have no doubt
that by the time she reached the later port, she looked rather bedraggled.

He did not mention sources - except one: the report of one of the officers or midshipmen. I have to look for it at home again, sorry. But unfortunatly no picture, no painting and no YouTube-movie was made in that period ...

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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 6:23 AM
So, what is a hammopck cloth?

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Posted by searat12 on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 8:08 AM
I think they are referring to the 'hammock cloth,' which is essentially a canvas that covers the hammock racks on the bulwarks on either side amidships (the sailors hammocks were rolled up neatly every morning and stowed in the racks, which would then be covered with a canvas to keep them from getting wet). 
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Posted by Marcus.K. on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 2:31 PM
 
 
 

 searat12 wrote:
I think they are referring to the 'hammock cloth,' which is essentially a canvas that covers the hammock racks on the bulwarks on either side amidships (the sailors hammocks were rolled up neatly every morning and stowed in the racks, which would then be covered with a canvas to keep them from getting wet). 

Correct - that was just a misspelling - sorry!

Here´s the source itself:

8. May 1844: .. the ship painted with white lead; the gu streak, red ...
by Lieutenant John B. Dale Journal

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Posted by enemeink on Wednesday, December 3, 2008 5:51 PM

 searat12 wrote:
I think they are referring to the 'hammock cloth,' which is essentially a canvas that covers the hammock racks on the bulwarks on either side amidships (the sailors hammocks were rolled up neatly every morning and stowed in the racks, which would then be covered with a canvas to keep them from getting wet). 

I think it was intended as a joke, but i could be wrong.

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Posted by jayman1 on Friday, December 5, 2008 11:09 PM
For my money regarding anything regarding the USS Constitution, if Capt. Maritn says it is so, then it is so. One could spend hundresds of hours of research to conclude that Capt. Martin was right in the beginning.
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