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My Italeri 1/35 S-100 Schnellboot Build

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Posted by koelschwolf on Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:05 PM

Hi, Kapt. Wolf. Glad to pass on any info I have gathered. I found the kit in very good condition upon arrival, nothing was broken and all parts fit together extremely well. The assembly of the two hull halves was a bit tricky due to its size. I used a lot of clips to hold them together at the keel. I used those little paperclips that you squeeze together to open. FYI they come in various sizes. After assembling the hull I put a bead of silicon caulk over the seams. Before you go beyond the hull assembly decide what you want to make functional: rotating guns, opening torpedo tubes, ejecting torpedos, lit up running lights (red/green) electric searchlight, rotating RDF antenna, a siren? How many motors, all three props to be powered? RC or not to RC?  If you want to Rd the model, make a sketch where to locate the RC components.

I designed a mechanism to rotate the midships AA gun and will in the future so the same with the AFT gun. I used extra servos hooked into the rudder servo via a Y cable. So when I activate the rudder the gun turns. In my model I only powered the two outboard engines. Care must be given to drill out the two shaft housings and to open the hull. For the prop shaft housings I used K&S brass tubing, but a lubricating system is needed to prevent overheating of the shafts. I am sorry I cannot send you with this  reply the drawings of my concept of a prop shaft bearing with lubricating tubes. If you reply to my email address (wdevallette@prodigi.net) I'll send it you as an attachment. Locate the RC receiver as far away from the motors as possible same with the RC antenna. The heavy battery is located midships, just a bit aft, motors just forward of the battery and the speed control ditto.

The Lürssen effect can be achieved via the rudder pushrods. I did not buy the crew members from Italieri, but I cannibalized an old model of a KFK armed trawler with Tamiya guns and repainted those gunners.

LED's in red & green can be had from Radioshack and be installed on the bridge replacing the plastic running lights. An RDF antenna I made from fine brass wire. I also replaced some of the fine plastic wiring on deck with brass. The railings are covered with "canvas" dodgers (covers) made from one inch wide cotton tape out of my wife sewing box.

I used a two channel Futaba RC unit and was able to buy for just a few dollars a couple of extra servos and extension cables on Ebay.  Originally I used a Pro-Boat speed control (with reverse) but it was designed for only one motor and put out a lot of chatter. So I replaced the unit with an older Futaba speed control that can handle multiple e-motors. For a battery I am using a small 6volt 1.3AH Intestate battery, about 3.5 x 2 x 1. They hold a charge much longer than those multi cell jobs designed for RC.

One final advise, those Schnellboote were not painted  red under the waterline, The dockyard painted the underwater part of the hull with a black anti fouling paint, some boats had a narrow Red waterline, for which I used red racing stripes. I also added some spots of "rust" on the hull to make the model look somewhat worn.

Of course there is no evidence but I thought about building a Flatner Girocopter and have it replace the mine racks. You know those Flatners were towed by a U-boot to increase their circle of vision.  With the high speed of the model it might even fly????  Oh, I forgot I am using Speed 400 6 volt motors with 0.1 microFarad suppressors over the terminals.

Well as a "by the way" item: my uncle served on one of those boats with the 4th, Schnellboot Flotilla in the channel and later in the Med. he had some interesting anecdotes to tell like when his boat boarded a Royal Navy navy torpedo boat in the channell. Not knowing what to do with their prisoners the Germans dumped all their weaponry, ammo, small arms, torps, took all their tea and chocolate and send them home, since the Britisher's life rafts were shot up. My uncle also took part of Operation Cerberus, the break out of the German fleet from Brest. His boat stayed with the mined battleship Scharnhorst until it could proceed. 

Good luck with your project. It's up to you if you want  to use the flag supplied with the kit, but to be correct  the swastika should be part of the flag, after all that's the flag the crews served under and also died under.

Kind regards Koelschwolf In Dallas, Texas

 

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 11:28 PM

To RC the Italieri  35scale Schnellboot is not difficult at all. Just  remember to locate the receiver as far ass possible from the motors, solder noise suppressors over  the terminals, place the heavy battery  midships a bit aft. keep the rudder pushrods short, place the antenna all the way aft stuck into a small brass tube so you call remove it when displayed and decide how many of the AA guns you want to operate (one servo per gun)

Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 11:22 PM

Hi, what would be intrigueing would be an addition of a FLATTENR Girocopter on the aft deck. You know the type that was towed by U-boats to increase the radius of vision?

Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 11:19 PM

why buy if you can make those mines by hand? I found the right size ball shaped coat buttons and made the undercarriage from scrap styrene. Can't beat the price for buttons, brass wire etc.

koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 11:13 PM

I thought the Bofors gun was built by the enterprising Swedes who sold that gun to both sides of the war?

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 11:07 PM

you ask: "what's next from Italieri"? I wish they would produce a 35 kit of a so-called KFK, that stands for in German "KRIEGSFISCHKUTTER"  or armed fishing trawler.. they were built in large numbers in occupied countries and armed with "Beutewaffen" that's captured weapons, like Russian 72mm cannons or french guns, sometimes also with the great 20mm Vierling, a german quad AA gun. You can find pix of  some KFK on Youtube. Ideal to use is the Graupner fishing cutter ELKE. These ships were used in various roles, Escort vessels, mine layers, mine sweepers, sub chasers. They make a great model, I built two.

Regards Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 10:57 PM

NOOOOOOO. Do not paint the hull below the waterline red. That part of the hull was painted with black anti fouling paint. According to my uncle who served on one of these boats (fourth flotilla), that paint did not stand up to the rushing water at high speed and had to be repainted over and over. 

Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 10:50 PM

Hi, I found lots of pix on Google of those mines, from all angles and close ups. Using ball-shaped buttons I will make my own mines with wires, winch and all.

Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 10:46 PM

Hi Julian, I thought the models of the German mines were a bit too expensive. Looking in Google I found a whole picture series of them from different angles. So I will make mine from the proper size ball shaped buttons.

Koelschwolf

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Posted by koelschwolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 10:39 PM

There is  a lot to pass on, if you wish to send me yr email address (confidentially) I'd be happy to reply.

Regards Koelschwolf

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Posted by Kapt Wolf on Friday, December 2, 2011 6:12 PM

Hallo Koelschwolf,

I'm in the process of collecting materials for my R/C build of the Italeri Schnellboot S-100 1/35. I certainly would appreciate any advice and a list of material you bought for the conversion etc. since you seem to be slightly ahead on your build. Are you planning on giving your rudders the "Luerssen Effekt" ?

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Posted by koelschwolf on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:21 AM

Hi, would you share your way of  how you mounted the motors? Did you use some shock absorbers to cut down on the vibration noise?

Greetings from Dallas, Texas, thanks Koelschwolf

 

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Posted by koelschwolf on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:13 AM

you are right, the S-Boot was never painted red under water, but at the shipyard was painted with a black anti fouling paint. My uncle served on a S-Boot and took part in operation Cerberus and other actions.

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Posted by koelschwolf on Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:09 AM

Any idea how to mount the motors? I conceived some motormounts as a bulkhead but the motor's vibration  transmitted themselves to the hull making an awful racket. Any ideas on shock absorbers?

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Posted by mutleyjack on Saturday, September 19, 2009 2:50 PM
Hi in the process of buiding myself have you seen this site  http://www.s130.co.uk/ they are restoring the real thing plenty of pics
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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, August 27, 2009 5:12 PM
 Hi Grem 56 ---- I will tell you a little secret . Most vessels ,allied and axis ,that had underwater or waterline exhausts were fitted with anti flood flapper valves .These were needed because on a rough sea the water force against the side could and would have caused untold havoc on the powerplants. The systems were very simple and always seemed to work 100% of the time ,maintenance notwithstanding. The system works on the pressure coming out the exhausts and it works flawless even when the port is way underwater! The exhaust on my biggest houseboat (before I graduated to a converted bouytender ) were 6" and on my O.S.R.V. they were 10" so yes they were composed of BIG pipes. That,s all I can add here !     tankerbuilder
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Posted by black shuck on Friday, August 7, 2009 4:37 PM

Hi,

      I have built my s 100, with 3 x 500 motors, 35mm 3bladed brass props, and a 14.8 volt li/po pack. The "effect" rudders steer with the main rudder, and also have the "effect" effect, if you see what I mean. I have also fitted the 20 mm quad flak 38 in place of the 37 mm flak gun.This is a tamiya kit"20mm FLAKVIERLING 38" . It is trailer mounted, so I had to make a simple deck mount, copied from the REVELL 1/72 kit. Looks great, goes well (at least scale speed). Have painted a swastica on the flag, I think this must be a P.C. ommission. It gets lots of attention at the lakeside. I would now like to make a FAIRMILE D dog boat to go with the S BOOT.

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Posted by MOHTRA on Saturday, July 18, 2009 2:55 PM

Hello all you other big boat nuts out there. This will be my first "big boat" build and I am very much looking forward to it.

But

I have a question-----does anyone else out there have a problem with the forward 2cm mount?

I mean it fits together ok and all but it does not look right.Wondering if any one has seen or can direct me to some good reference of the actual mount. Any help greatly apreciated.

confused and bewhildered

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Posted by PRM29 on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:25 AM

Hi, in reply to your comment, yes it can be RCd I am actually doing it(the conversion) as we speak.When I figure out how to add photies to the forum, (I`m a newbie,) I`ll post some. 

Paul M

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  • From: Australia
Posted by gingermeggs on Sunday, February 22, 2009 5:38 PM

The S100 Schnellboot has just been released in Australia. Will be inspecting the model to see if

the packaging has improved and there is no damage to the torp tubes as reported earlier by

some of the members. If all OK will rush home with it. Been following the build with great interest.

 

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  • From: england
Posted by keef666 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 5:19 PM

julian, wooden balls from a hobby craft shop 31 mill  dia, as the real ones were 44 inches in dia, so they are spot on, as for the dingy thats from an old dragon german pontoon set , i meant to say last time the ace of spades on the side is an inkjetprinter decal, cheers keith

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just thought i would add this photo of an early s-boat,  made it five years ago, she is 42" long and goes like the real ones.

 

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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:48 PM

Wooden balls with cocktails sticks? Great ! I also like the rubber boat you put on board instead of the horrible square monstrosities.

Cheers,

Julian

 

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Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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Posted by keef666 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 2:03 PM
 hi , no the paint is mix of 90% white and 10% black, using tamiya's,the deck was german grey, as for the mines they are wooden balls with holes drilled and cocktail sticks not finshed yet and also need the trolley making, keith
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Posted by LeopardMan on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:23 PM

Nice work on the S-Boats. I am not much of a ship modeler but here is a link that might interest you guys.

http://www.prinzeugen.com/SBOATIND.htm

Joe

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Posted by Grem56 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 12:04 PM

Nice looking boat Keith. Is that the official Schnellboot Weiss? The ace of spades emblem is great, is that a decal set or home grown? Your mines need some way to roll off the stern Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]

Keep the screenies coming,

cheers,

Julian

 

illegal immigrants have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian.....................

Italeri S-100: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/112607.aspx?PageIndex=1

Isu-152: http://cs.finescale.com/FSMCS/forums/t/116521.aspx?PageIndex=1

 

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  • From: england
Posted by keef666 on Wednesday, February 11, 2009 6:43 AM

mike,  just thought post photos of boat so far, replaced all plastic gun stop rails,brass stanchions next, keith.

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Posted by doalittle on Saturday, January 31, 2009 2:33 PM

HI keef666

Many thanks for the information egarding the rudders I think that I  have got the drift, so what you are saying is that the two outer rudders whilst smaller than the center one are slightly bigger than the kits and providing they dont foul the center one all is ok.

By the way I am using a 7 channel radio/receiver system as I have bought this for my first boat the Graupner Wiesel. I even have the Gun Turrerts and Lights operating from servos. So I am looking forward to seening what is possible with the three gun systems to make them operate from servos etc.

I look forward to seening any photos you may send regarding the rudder system srtup and many thanks for the additional information regarding floation of the boat due to any mishaps etc.

Best Wishes

Mike Maloney

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  • From: england
Posted by keef666 on Saturday, January 31, 2009 11:52 AM
the center rudder is fine, and it fits on the the center propeller, but i found the kits rudders were not going to cope, so using graupners small rudder, which was still to big it would foul  the middle rudder, so that why i cut it, but not to the same size as the kits, about 10 to 15 % bigger, so now it turns in the bath,  as i am only using a 2 channel radio, forward and reverse, the real boat can use it engines to steer at low revs, we use the rudders, i see if have any photos of the rudder lay out,  and for people making this as an r/c model as you build it, check you joins, around the front and main deck , torpedo doors and the skullcap bridge any gap when its on the water, if you can were theres space, silcone some foam etc, anything from food or electrical package, it the worse does happen. she should say afloat, and as its feezing on our lake in england this time of year, hope this helps a little
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  • From: Spain
Posted by doalittle on Friday, January 30, 2009 3:19 PM

Hi Snapdragon

My Name is Mike and if you are interested about converting the S100 to R/C then I am in the process and am willing to share my build experiences with you. I am not an expert having only built on other boat the Graupner Wiesel which was R/C and needed quite a lot of modificataions to make it true to the real boat. I have photos if you like to see some.

At present on my S100 I have installed the three propshafts and engines without much difficulty for a novice moddler like me. and have dry built some of the sub assenblies ready to be final fitted prior to painting. Of course your experiences on your build would be most helpful to me as well. My email address is. mastin33@gmail.com should you wish to talk this way or send any additional information.

 

Regards

Mike Maloney

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