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Information on WWII Atlantic convoy composition

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Posted by Tracy White on Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:46 AM

 CapnMac82 wrote:
Now, a Liberty with a boat in the water investigating some flotsam or wreckage with a DE nearby might make sense.

Due to the slow speeds of the liberty and importance of maintaining formation a Liberty would not investigate anything in its path; it would be more accurate perhaps to have the DE stopped and the Liberty cruising by it.

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Posted by RTimmer on Tuesday, January 27, 2009 5:32 PM

Hey All,

Excellent responses by one and all - very much appreciated!

CapnMac82:  Some outstanding suggestions.  I will definitely be giving these some thought.

Cheers, Rick

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 11:31 PM

Now, what you may need to do is come up with a "reason" to have convoy vessels close enough to make a diorama of.

1000 yard seperation between convoy vessels is pretty tight navigating quarters; escorts are likely to not be closer than 5000 yards without some good reason.

Now, a Liberty with a boat in the water investigating some flotsam or wreckage with a DE nearby might make sense.  An empty lifeboat could add poingnacy, as would flotsam with a smudge (black-sprayed cotton wadding) of smoke drifting off. 

Nice touch to that is that the DE can have weapons trained all over the place, alert for all of the dangers that could be out there.  Downside is that this really wants dozens of figures, which could be a lot of painting & bending in 1/350 (not that 1/700 would be that much simpler <sigh>).

Alternate situation might be if some one were being high lined in a bosun's chair from the Liberty over to the DE (with the attendant need for lots of teeny-tiny detailing).

Now, a person could take a "British" tack to this and cobble up on of the stop-gap cat-launched Hurricane cargo ships, where the pilot had to ditch afterwards, and the DE & cargo ship could be in close (2-300yd) proximity for that evolution.

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Posted by Tony Sheppey on Sunday, January 18, 2009 7:25 AM

Hi Rick,

 Try this site http:/www.warsailors.com/freefleet/index.html.  I have found it contains a great deal of stuff on convoys, most of which seems to have come from the UK National Archive at Kew in London.  I hope this helps.

 Tony.

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Posted by onyxman on Friday, January 16, 2009 8:39 PM
If you want to use a Liberty ship you should probably look for convoys not much earlier than late 1942 to early 1943.
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Posted by mfsob on Friday, January 16, 2009 6:31 PM
jayman1 beat me to the convoyweb site - what you want is probably in there. Somewhere. I would suggest picking a particular kind of cargo ship - in 1/700 if you're going to put two or more in the same display - and then go from there.
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Posted by Tracy White on Friday, January 16, 2009 12:56 PM

Hyperwar also recently posted a post-war report that has some excellent information, albeit not down to the individual convoys.

OEG Report 51: ASW in WWII

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Posted by RTimmer on Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:52 PM

Hi Jayman1,

Outstanding web reference!  Not the smoothest web site, as you mentioned, but great source of information.  Thanks much!

Cheers, Rick

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Posted by RTimmer on Thursday, January 15, 2009 10:51 PM

Thanks much for the reference.  I'll see if I can get this through interlibrary loan.

Cheers, Rick

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Posted by jayman1 on Thursday, January 15, 2009 9:36 PM

There is an excellent site for WWII convoy information. The site can be awkward to navigate but there is much information at the Convoy Web: http://www.convoyweb.org.uk/

Hope this helps. Regards, Jay

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Posted by Yankee Clipper on Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:02 PM

Although not on the internet, a great source of info can be found in Vol 1 The Battle of the Atlantic 1939-1943 of the series History of United States Naval Operations in World War II. In the appendixs you will find a complete listing of the ships which participated. For example the Battleships New York and Texas.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, January 15, 2009 5:49 PM
In 350th you can go with Trumpeter's Liberty Ship and Destroyer Escort kits...

 

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Information on WWII Atlantic convoy composition
Posted by RTimmer on Thursday, January 15, 2009 12:24 PM

Hi All,

I was wondering if someone knows off hand of a good internet source that would list the ships in the various convoys in the Atlantic during WWII.  I am thinking of a diorama possibly of the a Liberty Ship with an appropriate escort ship from one of her convoys.

Thanks, Rick

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