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Posted by warshipguy on Saturday, January 24, 2009 8:49 AM

In fact, it was control of the sea that enabled the Allies to dominate the air and land.  Without the Murmansk runs, the Soviets would probably have sued for peace in 1943, at least according to some references.  The failure of the Kriegsmarine to control the sea may have cost Hitler the war.  Look at the failure of Germany and Italy to control the Mediterranean for even a little while, and its effect on the African Theater.  And, in the Pacific, the war was very much a naval war.  Have fun with your research!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by MountainDew on Saturday, January 24, 2009 5:48 AM
Excellent lists. This will help me focus my search at the library tomorrow. I'll try to pick up some books about everything. I really need to focus more on WW2 naval history, it was just as important and interesting as the air and land battles. 
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Posted by searat12 on Friday, January 23, 2009 9:18 PM

Yes, I've got that 'S' class on my watch list too..... small, but looks like a sharp molding....

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, January 23, 2009 8:22 PM

Eric,

I would LOVE an "S" class boat in injection-molded plastic!  I do have an interesting model in 1/350 scale by Blue Water Navy in resin . . . USS Bass (SS 164), a B-class boat.  It is an unusual subject and is one of my most prized kits.  And, I am bidding on an "S" class boat by BWN on ebay.

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, January 23, 2009 2:45 PM
Good list Bill, and I agree fully about the contribution of US submarines (sure wish someone would come out with an 'S' class!)
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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, January 23, 2009 11:40 AM

I agree with the approach by nation. I would also break it down by ship type. So, here goes my lists:

USA:  Aircraft Carriers:  USS Yorktown or Enterprise

         Submarines:  USS Growler or Archerfish  (Don't forget that the "Silent Service" was responsible for destroying the overwhelming majority of Japanese merchant shipping and over 50% of the Japanese Navy without receiving the glory of the carrier navy.)

         Battleships:  USS Nevada or Washington

         Cruisers:      USS Houston

Great Britain:   Aircraft Carriers:  HMS Biter or Ark Royal

                     Battleships:        HMS Warspite or HMS Renown

                     Cruisers:            HMS Dorsetshire

                     Destroyers:        HMS Cossack

                     Corvettes:         Any

                     Submarines:       HMS Upholder

France:           Battleships:       Dunkerque or Strasbourg

Germany:         Battleships:       Scharnhorst or Gneisenau (They had more direct impact than   Bismarck or Tirpitz)

                      Cruisers:           Prinz Eugen

Italy:              Battleships:        Littorio or Conte di Cavour

Japan:            Aircraft Carriers:  Akagi or Shokaku/Zuikaku

                     Battleships:        Any Kongo Class

                     Cruisers:            Any of the CA's.

Yes, I realize that many of these ships are not available in plastic in 1/350 scale, but I feel that they should be. This hobby has been growing almost exponentially, but there is so much more room for growth!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, January 23, 2009 11:20 AM

Well, to make a good cross-section depends on a number of variables, depending on what particular interests you may have.  For some, it's all about battleships and aircraft carriers, but of course, much of the fighting was done with much smaller vessels, cruisers, destroyers, submarines and such, and of course, the war couldn't have fought without transport ships as well, so you see how this gets tricky!  I would break it down by nation, with a few very distinctive ships with a lot of water under their keels, but others would doubtless do otherwise.

USA:

Carrier 'Enterprise' (or perhpas 'Saratoga'), as these were 'the big punch' for most US naval battles, either being present, or certainly influencing the conduct and/or outcome of the battle.

Battleship 'North Carolina,' as this type was involved in most of the surface battles involving battleships, and is a good 'middle ground' battleship between the 'Masschusetts' and 'Iowa' types

Heavy Cruiser 'San Francisco,' as this type and its close sisters were involved in more battles and won more battlestars than just about any other in the US Navy

Destroyer 'Fletcher'  This type (along with the 'Gearing' and other classes) was everywhere, and did everything....

JAPAN:

Carrier 'Shokaku,' because it was heavily involved in just about the whole war, starting from Pearl Harbor, and is a good representative, and perhaps best of the Japanese heavy carrier type

Battleship 'Kongo,' because it is perhaps most representative of the Japanese battleships, and was involved in most of the Japanese campaigns.  Many people would have chosen 'Yamato,' but those 'super battleships' weren't really involved for much of the war, and accomplished very little at the end of the day!

Heavy Cruiser 'Chokai,' beacuse this is an excellent representative of the Japanese heavy cruisers, that was involved in a variety of very serious surface battles against the US Navy, the ABDA command, etc.

Destroyer 'Yukikaze,' because it is an excellent representative Japanese destroyer whose deadly 'Long Lance' torpedoes inflicted more damage on more warships and were involved in more battles than any other type.

BRITAIN:

Battleship 'Prince of Wales,' because this type is perhaps most representative of British capital ships, and of course this ship and her sisters were involved in MOST of the naval battles involving serious enemy forces (Bismarck battle, Scharnhorst battle, etc, etc).

'County' class heavy cruiser, a variety of these to choose from ('Suffolk,' etc.), because they were also involved in a lot of battles all over the world, from the Bismarck chase, to the Graf Spee battle, and even Guadalcanal!

'Flower' class corvette, because these, along with a variety of American and British destroyers are what fought and largely won the 'Battle of the Atlantic against the U-boats...

GERMANY:

'Bismarck.'  Nuff said

Type VIIC U-boat, because it was the primary, most successful, and arguably most representative German submarine

 

Sorry!  I went over the number ten, but there you go; where do YOU draw the line?

 

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The WW2 Collection
Posted by MountainDew on Friday, January 23, 2009 6:41 AM

If you were going to build 10 ship models in 1/350 scale to represent a cross section of WW2 which would you build and why?

I'm a little weak in my maritime WW2 history. Other than the Bismarck, Hood, Yamato, Enterprise, Liberty ship, I can't think of much. I may know more than the average American, but that's not good enough for me.

Enlighten me. Please.

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