1.350 Prinz Eugen

just found this on the following site, but no price yet,

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http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=49542

keef666 wrote:

just found this on the following site, but no price yet, http://www.freetimehobbies.com/

http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=56094

dang I didn't even know Lindbergh was releasing a 1/200 scale Graf Zepplin aircraft carrier. Thats the biggest Aircraft carrier model to date!

keef666 wrote:

just found this on the following site, but no price yet, edit: http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=49542

Mikeym_us wrote:

keef666 wrote: just found this on the following site, but no price yet, http://www.freetimehobbies.com/ http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=56094 dang I didn't even know Lindbergh was releasing a 1/200 scale Graf Zepplin aircraft carrier. Thats the biggest Aircraft carrier model to date!

searat12 wrote:

Mikeym_us wrote:  keef666 wrote: just found this on the following site, but no price yet, http://www.freetimehobbies.com/ http://www.freetimehobbies.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=56094 dang I didn't even know Lindbergh was releasing a 1/200 scale Graf Zepplin aircraft carrier. Thats the biggest Aircraft carrier model to date! Well, I seem to recall a 1/200 Shinano by Hasegawa that has been around for many years.... I have seen some reviews of the Lindberg Graf Zeppelin, along with some photos, and it really appears to be a very bad kit with a lousy attempt at details (really laughable in this day and age!).  Here's one photo...

well this thing looks a little better than the 1/720 scale Graf Zepplin hopefully they did the catapult better than ROG did?

Yer joking, right?  You don't notice anything a bit ODD about those secondary guns??

How about now?

searat12 wrote:

How about now?

The casement guns could be done better but the 10.5cm 3.7cm and 20mm AA weapons actually are way better than the 1/720 scale versions from ROG. And the aircraft look like they may have been molded from clear plastic and are also look better detail wise. It looks like the deck actually has wood detail which is nice and the catapults you can say look pretty good too.

You mean to tell me you don't notice the secondary guns in their twin mountings pointing in different directions?? The wood deck looks terrible too!  Really, you should get a hold of a Revell 1/350 Bismarck to get an idea of how bad the Lindberg Graf appears to be (and when you think that it is in 1/200 scale, 56" long, there really is no excuse for this!)..... Then again, if this sort of molding is OK for you, then have at it!  Lindberg could use the money.....

Don't get me wrong, I would really like to see a revival of the 1/200 scale.  Nichimo had a line in 1/200, which included the usual Yamato and Musashi, plus Shinano, and several destroyers (Akizuki, Hatsuzuki, and Kagero, as I recall), but no-one else followed suit.  You can still get these if you scrounge around a bit, and they make up into very good models for their day (late '70's?).  Perhaps (if the world economy ever recovers!), some of the other model manyfacturers might consider 1/200 again, especially if the 1/350 class gets flooded, but at least for the capital ships, you really can only have one of these as they are just so large, there is no place to put more than one!  On that basis, it had better be a good one!

searat12 wrote:

You mean to tell me you don't notice the secondary guns in their twin mountings pointing in different directions?? The wood deck looks terrible too!  Really, you should get a hold of a Revell 1/350 Bismarck to get an idea of how bad the Lindberg Graf appears to be (and when you think that it is in 1/200 scale, 56" long, there really is no excuse for this!)..... Then again, if this sort of molding is OK for you, then have at it!  Lindberg could use the money..... Don't get me wrong, I would really like to see a revival of the 1/200 scale.  Nichimo had a line in 1/200, which included the usual Yamato and Musashi, plus Shinano, and several destroyers (Akizuki, Hatsuzuki, and Kagero, as I recall), but no-one else followed suit.  You can still get these if you scrounge around a bit, and they make up into very good models for their day (late '70's?).  Perhaps (if the world economy ever recovers!), some of the other model manyfacturers might consider 1/200 again, especially if the 1/350 class gets flooded, but at least for the capital ships, you really can only have one of these as they are just so large, there is no place to put more than one!  On that basis, it had better be a good one!

Only 1/200 scale Capital ship I have is the Trumpeter Sovremenny destroyer. Though looking at the pics of the Graf Zeppelin you have to admit some of those problems with the kit appear to be builder error. A good modeler could probably make it 5 time better than the guy Lindberg got to build it. But hopefully once this gets released maybe someone will put out some aftermarket parts for it and any other possible 1/200 scale DKM kits.

It would be nice to see a 1/200 Bismark and Prinz Eugen.

Well, I would like to think that Lindberg would have obtoained a fairly professional model-builder to make this for the hobby show, but perhaps not.  I certainly would welcome some new 1/200 scale models, but I think it will be a few years before that is likely to happen because of the economy.  I will be happy just to see some of the already planned 1/350 scale kits actually hit the streets!

Regarding 1/200 scale, i think this would be particularly good for the smaller ships, such as destroyers and destroyer escorts, as well as cruisers..... But battleships, etc, that is a tough act to follow (though I have heard rumors of a 1/200 Arizona due out one day!)

searat12 wrote:

Well, I would like to think that Lindberg would have obtoained a fairly professional model-builder to make this for the hobby show, but perhaps not.  I certainly would welcome some new 1/200 scale models, but I think it will be a few years before that is likely to happen because of the economy.  I will be happy just to see some of the already planned 1/350 scale kits actually hit the streets! Regarding 1/200 scale, i think this would be particularly good for the smaller ships, such as destroyers and destroyer escorts, as well as cruisers..... But battleships, etc, that is a tough act to follow (though I have heard rumors of a 1/200 Arizona due out one day!)

Actually the 1/200 scale Arizona was announced at Neuremburg this year but I think it's just the resized 1/350 scale Arizona. But if you saw the price for the Zeppelin it is actually around the price of a 1/350 scale Trumpeter Aircraft Carrier but cheaper than the Hasegawa Akagi.

Mikeym_us wrote:

searat12 wrote: Well, I would like to think that Lindberg would have obtoained a fairly professional model-builder to make this for the hobby show, but perhaps not.  I certainly would welcome some new 1/200 scale models, but I think it will be a few years before that is likely to happen because of the economy.  I will be happy just to see some of the already planned 1/350 scale kits actually hit the streets! Regarding 1/200 scale, i think this would be particularly good for the smaller ships, such as destroyers and destroyer escorts, as well as cruisers..... But battleships, etc, that is a tough act to follow (though I have heard rumors of a 1/200 Arizona due out one day!) Actually the 1/200 scale Arizona was announced at Neuremburg this year but I think it's just the resized 1/350 scale Arizona. But if you saw the price for the Zeppelin it is actually around the price of a 1/350 scale Trumpeter Aircraft Carrier but cheaper than the Hasegawa Akagi.

searat12 wrote:

Mikeym_us wrote:  searat12 wrote: Well, I would like to think that Lindberg would have obtoained a fairly professional model-builder to make this for the hobby show, but perhaps not.  I certainly would welcome some new 1/200 scale models, but I think it will be a few years before that is likely to happen because of the economy.  I will be happy just to see some of the already planned 1/350 scale kits actually hit the streets! Regarding 1/200 scale, i think this would be particularly good for the smaller ships, such as destroyers and destroyer escorts, as well as cruisers..... But battleships, etc, that is a tough act to follow (though I have heard rumors of a 1/200 Arizona due out one day!) Actually the 1/200 scale Arizona was announced at Neuremburg this year but I think it's just the resized 1/350 scale Arizona. But if you saw the price for the Zeppelin it is actually around the price of a 1/350 scale Trumpeter Aircraft Carrier but cheaper than the Hasegawa Akagi. Yes the Zeppelin is priced 'relatively' cheaply, but when you look at what you get, I think that answers the question.  I'm going to be keeping my eyes open on ebay for one of those Hasegawa Akagis, as some somebody in the near future is going to want to sell it off cheap.  As for the Graf, I really have no interest in it, as it is not in a scale conducive to much else, it is apparently fairly inaccurate and badly molded, and is a very strange subject in and of itself, except in a 'what if' mode...... I'd have rather seen a Lexington battlecruiser!

Of course the Zeppelin was a what if but it also existed. Now if Hitler had put more money into the KriegsMarine instead of those fancy and expensive terror weapons at the midpoint of the war you could have seen some amazing things. But as it was the KriegsMarine was the ugly redheaded stepchild of the German Military and the majority of the military budget went into the Luftwaffa and the various army units.

If you want to look at the test shots of the Prinz Eugen, Then follow this link or look up the site.

 http://www.modelshipwrights.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=4443.   

Very impressive.

http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=25931

I wonder how the new 1/350 plastics compare to the 1/400 Heller. Yes, should be improved but the price is double or triple. Wonder if it is worth the difference?