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  • From: concord, north carolina
Paint question (identify this)
Posted by emo07 on Monday, April 6, 2009 6:20 PM

Hi all,

I have an unopened 1 oz. bottle of Floquil paint #818600 weather deck blue 20-B. I have had it for several years and part of the label is missing. Is this paint enamel or acrylic? Web site no help. Paint needed for 1/350 USS North Carolina. Any help would be appreciated.

emo07

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Posted by Dreadnought52 on Monday, April 6, 2009 8:34 PM
 emo07 wrote:

Hi all,

I have an unopened 1 oz. bottle of Floquil paint #818600 weather deck blue 20-B. I have had it for several years and part of the label is missing. Is this paint enamel or acrylic? Web site no help. Paint needed for 1/350 USS North Carolina. Any help would be appreciated.

emo07



Well, why don't you open it and smell it? Failing that, dip a brush in it and see if you can clean it with water! The enamel has a very distinctive smell. WS



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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:19 AM
Hello        When you say several years ,exactly how many . The brand is a long time on the market .I didn,t use it for years because the odor bothered my family ,so I would have to say , like the previous post ,smell it .If that doesn,t work then I would do the brush test .  These paints can also be affected by the time on the shelf AND temps. at the storage site . > good luck     tankerbuilder
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Posted by Rick Martin on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 8:56 AM
If it really has a strong powerful oder it is a form of enamel. Floquil is an old time model railroad paint manufacturer that ventured into the military model arena in the late '70's and early '80's. The paints were excellent and they had an extensive line of A/C, armor and ship paints. The bad part is that they used a chemical called Dio-Sol as their thinner and the oder was very powerful and strong. I used to use the stuff in my model railroad painting but the smell gave me a really severe headache. Had to quit using it and found other railroad paints which didn't smell as bad. Not to scare you but I believe the state of Kalifornia determined that diosol may be a carcinogen and Floquil has changed its thinner for its model railroad paints. Sadly the military line is now long gone. Rick M
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Posted by emo07 on Wednesday, April 8, 2009 4:29 PM

Thanks for the replies. Upon smelling paint, it does have a very strong, overpowering smell, like laquer automotive paint. I think I will dispose of this paint (properly) and replace with acrylic. Thanks,

emo07

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, April 10, 2009 12:40 PM
Hey RICK!  Do you have any idea what happened to the HUMBROL line of paints ? I used to use them exclusively and after 12 years in command of tankers that never visited the states  I got home (ARKANSAS ) to find no one carried it anymore .      tankerbuilder
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Posted by surfsup on Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:41 PM
Humbrol is still readily available here in Australia. Humbrol and Airfix are now, I think, owned by Hornby across your Pond. I would find it very odd if you were not able to get any in the States.Make a Toast [#toast]

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Thursday, April 16, 2009 10:27 AM

  Hey ! SURFSUP !!! Believe it or not I,ve been in eight different states (R.V. traveling ) and no hobbyshop I visited carried this paint !! I liked HUMBROL because of the color spectrum for shipbuilding was awesome .  I have tried different wholesalers and the environmental thing always comes up , or the safety issue . You know , I don,t think I know anyone or their children who drank the stuff !!!!!     TANKERBUILDER

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Posted by searat12 on Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:48 PM
....and while you are sniffing the enamel fumes, if you sniff enough of it, you won't care whether it is enamel or acryillic anyways....
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Posted by chris hall on Thursday, April 16, 2009 3:24 PM

Humbrol paints are still produced (in China) and distributed thourghout Europe by their new owner, Hornby. The range isn't as extensive as it used to be, but it's still more extensive than any other non-specialist manufacturer I can think of. They're my normal choice, except if I need something obscure, not least because pretty much every model shop and toyshop in England stocks them. Shouldn't be that difficult to find on your side of the Pond, though I understand that the USPS has issues with the transport of solvent-based liquids.

Humbrol also produce a (more limited) range of acrylics, This has been revised and re-formulated in the last year or so, and the paints are much better than they iused to be, especially for brush=painting.

Cheers,

Chris.

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, April 16, 2009 4:00 PM
 tankerbuilder wrote:

  Hey ! SURFSUP !!! Believe it or not I,ve been in eight different states (R.V. traveling ) and no hobbyshop I visited carried this paint !! I liked HUMBROL because of the color spectrum for shipbuilding was awesome .  I have tried different wholesalers and the environmental thing always comes up , or the safety issue . You know , I don,t think I know anyone or their children who drank the stuff !!!!!     TANKERBUILDER

Perhaps you need to widen your search parameters

A search of HUMBROL at Squadron Mail Order came up with 241 hits.  

I'm pretty sure that MAL Hobbies in Irving, TX carries a selection of their paints (not the whole line)

 

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Posted by Rick Martin on Saturday, April 18, 2009 6:58 PM
Hey tankerbuilder: if all else fails try White Ensign paints. They come in the same size tinlets as Humbrol. You can gettem direct from White Ensign and I think they might also be available from a couple of stateside dealers too. Can't remember exactly who though. They do have a pretty good line of Aircraft/armor and ship paints. Have a friend here on the SpaceCoast who uses them almost exclusively on his ships. Says they deliver pretty quickly from the UK. This guy doesn't airbrush just uses the old Mk. I, Mod 0 paintbrush and gets a good finish. Also try Squadron for the Humbrol too. RickM
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Posted by qmiester on Saturday, April 18, 2009 9:13 PM

The origional Floquil RR paints were lacquer based paints origionally designed to be brushed on wood, metal and paper which at that time were used by RR modelers to build engines, rolling stock and structures etc.  They were "hot" enough to melt/craze styrene if applied to a kit with a brush (which 99% of the modelers used when styrene kits began to gain popularity).  Floquil developed a clear coating to protect the styrene called Barrier which worked but was a real pain to work with (Barrier would cover any fine details)  When airbrushes started to become popular, it was found that if you applied a very thin coat of Floguil to a styrene surface, let it dry, and then applied a good color coat, you could get a good paint job.  The problems were A.  If you applied too much paint on the first coat, it would melt/craze just as if you had applied it with a brush and B. If you tried to remove the paint after application, the etching wouldn't release the paint (ask me how I know that).

Floquil actually started to convert over to an enamel based paint when more and more RR items (again engines, rolling stock and structures etc) began to be produced in styrene (after all, the Model RR folks are Floquils bread and butter).

And Floquils Lacquers have a real nasty smell.

Quincy
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Posted by chris hall on Sunday, April 19, 2009 3:01 AM

There isn't a direct match for USN WW2 Deck Blue in the Humbrol range, but there is in the White Ensign Colourcoats enamels one (#US 10). White Ensign provide accurate matches for pretty much every colour you're likely to want, and then some. Their paint range is well worth checking out

http://www.whiteensignmodels.com/acatalog/index.html?http%3A//www.whiteensignmodels.com/acatalog/catalogbody.html&CatalogBody

and their service is speedy and superb. As my Xtracolor paints run out, I'm steadily going over to them. I ordered some paints from them on Easter Sunday, and they arrived the following Friday. Service is normally even faster, but two of the five intervening days were holidays. Still waiting for some stuff I ordered from Hannants over a month ago.

Cheers,

Chris.

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