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Looking for good source of information for scratcbuild of Essex-class w/ SCB125 upgrade
Posted by Yatch on Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:09 PM

I'm new to ship modeling (well, for all intents and purposes), but I need to get a good reference for the size and shape of an Essex-class carrier, specifically the USS Hornet CVA/S-12.

I'm wanting to build a model of the darned thing, and I can't find a kit pre-made, so I'm going to scratchbuild it.  If anyone has any information on where I can lay hands on scale drawings or very clear photos of the flight deck, I'd really appreciate it.

I live close enough to Alameda that I can take my own pictures and make drawings of the rest of the ship, but the flight deck is particularly difficult to get an arial photo of.  I've seen renderings of the ship in its final configuration that includes a profile and a top-view, but I can't find them for sale or any pictures of those renderings.

Thanks,
Nathan

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Posted by RedCorvette on Saturday, May 9, 2009 6:26 AM

You might want to look for the old Revell kit, last released as Lexington, CVT-16.  It would be a good starting point for a modernized Hornet project.

Detail & Scale also did a book on the Lexington, out of print, but you can still find copies around.

You can also find a lot of info on the Intrepid on the web.

But of course having the actual thing handy is the best reference source.  ;)

Mark 

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Posted by jtilley on Saturday, May 9, 2009 8:34 AM

An excellent source applicable to Essex-class ships in general is Anatomy of the Ship:  The Aircraft Carrier Intrepid, by John Roberts, published by the Conway Maritime Press in England and distributed in the U.S. by the Naval Institute Press.

This was one of the first volumes in the superb Anatomy of the Ship series.  It contains just about everything a modeler could want in order to build a model of the Intrepid in her World War II configuration:  hull lines, deck plans, propulsion system, armament, etc., etc.  Mr. Roberts is a superb draftsman, and includes literally hundreds of detail drawings of guns, directors, antennas, etc., etc.  The catch is that the book deals in detail with one specific ship, at one specific time period.  There's basic information in it about the modifications she underwent (the reconfigured island, hurricane bow, angled deck, and so on), but the real intensely detailed coverage focuses on how she looked in about 1944. 

If you want to model the Hornet in her WWII configuration this book will be a terrific resource; you'll just need to figure out how the two ships differed. (I suspect they didn't differ a great deal.  Both were "short-hull" Essex-class ships.  The Intrepid was CV-11 and the Hornet was CV-12.  They were built simultaneously by Newport News Shipbuilding and Dry Dock, and launched about two weeks apart.  I'm sure there were differences between them - probably in anti-aircraft armament and radar antennas, if nothing else - but you probably could nail those down with photos.)  If you're more interested in how the Hornet looked in her later years, you'll need to do considerably more digging.

One thought:  you didn't mention what scale you're interested in.  Dragon seems to be working its way through the various permutations of the Essex class in 1/700 scale; the presently-available releases cover pretty thoroughly the versions up through the mid-1950s.  The company hasn't yet gotten around to a version with the angled deck and hurricane bow, but I strongly suspect at least one such kit is on the way.  Murphy's Law, as applied to the world of ship modeling, says that the day after you finish your scratch-built model, Dragon (or some other company) will release a kit that looks just like it.

You also might want to check the availability of resin kits.  There have been several angled-deck Essex-class resin kits over the years; they're expensive, and usually require more work than a state-of-the-art plastic kit, but certainly less than scratch-building.

One other thought:  The Floating Drydock offers several sets of plans for short-hull Essex-class ships, including one set devoted specifically to the Hornethttp://www.floatingdrydock.com/MasterPlan.htm .

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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Posted by sumpter250 on Sunday, May 10, 2009 12:05 PM

This should take you to the "calling all essex class carriers" page. You indicated CVA/S, so I'm assuming you want to model a more recent version, perhaps Viet Nam era? You'll find there's not much out there for that era, as opposed to WWII. You will find a few things at this link. I have a project, ongoing. A 1/700 FRAM II Sumner Class DD, and 1/700 USS Randolph CVS-15. Yeah Randolph is a long hull Essex.

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=4802

 

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Posted by Yatch on Thursday, May 14, 2009 10:17 AM

Thanks for the leads guys.  I am indeed interested in building a late Hornet, like she still looks at Alameda.  Scale is not yet determined, but as was pointed out, there's very little available that I've been able to find yet anyway, so any scale at this point would be nice.

I'll give a look over the links and try to generate some new leads based on your information.

Thanks again!

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Posted by Ray Marotta on Thursday, May 14, 2009 11:58 AM

Yatch,

You might try google maps.  I just pulled up an very clear aerial view of the Hornet.  You might

be able to get what you need there.

Best of luck

Ray

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Posted by Yatch on Thursday, May 14, 2009 2:33 PM

Ray - I had actually considered this before submitting my query, but I figured that the work to figure out the scale and get the angles and pieces correct would be a lot.  I didn't want to re-invent the wheel, especially since I'm sure that someone else has already got a good scale drawing at the least.

I will also contact the USS Hornet Museum to see if they have reference materials.

So far, no luck finding a for-sale kit of the Lex or Hornet... *sigh* 

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Posted by ironship on Thursday, May 14, 2009 6:38 PM
 Yatch wrote:

Thanks for the leads guys.  I am indeed interested in building a late Hornet, like she still looks at Alameda.  Scale is not yet determined, but as was pointed out, there's very little available that I've been able to find yet anyway, so any scale at this point would be nice.

I'll give a look over the links and try to generate some new leads based on your information.

Thanks again!

Here are the G/A plans for CVS-12:

 http://hnsa.org/doc/plans/cv12.pdf

Also, I have the hull for the SCB-27a in 1/350 scale and 1/700 scale for sale.  This will provide you with the widened hull for a -125 conversion.  

 

Jon Warneke

Iron Shipwrights

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Posted by Yatch on Monday, July 20, 2009 5:53 PM

Jon - I tried contacting you through the board directly, but either my message didn't get through to you, or your reply didn't get through to me.

Anyway, I am indeed interested in those hull plans if you don't mind sending them to me.

Thanks,
Nathan

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, July 20, 2009 9:36 PM
copy & paste that http link into your browser. will need adobe reader or similar as it is a pdf file.
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Posted by ironship on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 12:43 PM
 Yatch wrote:

Jon - I tried contacting you through the board directly, but either my message didn't get through to you, or your reply didn't get through to me.

Anyway, I am indeed interested in those hull plans if you don't mind sending them to me.

Thanks,
Nathan

 

Hi Nathan,

You can contact me at ironship@vic.com.  Drop me an e-mail there.  The lines I have are in a book.

Jon

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