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weathering a PT boat ??
Posted by fine scale on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 2:43 AM

I was wondering if anyone's modelled a plastic PT model boat (say 1:48 scale), & what you did for weathering. I've noticed that a 'rusty' look gathers even on wooden boats in certain areas.

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 7:38 AM

 Finescale, Here is a few pic's of my recent build & weathering.The crews were proud of their boats, and did'nt allow much to degrade them. Upkeep was accomplished with whatever they could scavenge. Check out/Google PT-boats and you'll see what I'm saying. This is an early scheme.

                                                                     doc

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Posted by fine scale on Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:53 PM

wow, a great job thanks. did you bother with a wash??

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Thursday, June 4, 2009 3:02 PM

 FS, yes I applied an turpenoid/oil paint wash and then a pinwash to every little detail that I could find.

                                                              doc

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Posted by Tracy White on Thursday, June 4, 2009 8:38 PM
You might get rust streaks below metal items but the vast majority of the boat was wood. You will get faded and streaky paint due to the sun and salt water the boats were in. You might want to consider how light looks difference in scale; one of the things a wash helps replicate is the shadows that look different due to objects' smaller size.

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Friday, June 5, 2009 9:20 AM
I think that from the most part, PT crews kept their boats fairly clean and touched up whatever was going bad. I would go lightly on the weathering as Doc did. His looks superv.

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Posted by bilbirk on Friday, June 5, 2009 9:56 AM
Nice looking boat. What scale is it?
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Posted by doc-hm3 on Friday, June 5, 2009 1:28 PM

 Thanks for the comments guys. She is the old "REVELL" kit from the "60's" in 1/72nd scale, and she's built straight out of the box.

                                                              doc

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Posted by weebles on Saturday, June 6, 2009 9:50 AM

I'm getting ready to do the final painting on my 109 boat in 1/72.  In most of the pictures I've seen there is almost no rust.  That's because unlike steel ships the crew could get to just about everywhere.  Places where you might want to add some very light rust is around guard rails.  But again just a hint.  More corrosion can be done around the exhausts.

I'm planning on doing some pre shading under the torpedo tubes, in the cockpit areas, etc. where you would find shadows.  Then I'm planning on doing some post shading to replicate the natural fading from the sun.  My dilemma is how to account for the wear on the decks.  If you look at photos of these boats the paint often is worn off in high traffic areas.  For example from between both sides of the cockpit to the bit on the foredeck.  I'm trying to decide if I want to use a wash, or if I want to put down a primer coat, top coat, and use a fiberglass eraser to remove some of the paint and then add a wash.  The primers on these boats were described to me as "yellow" which makes me think it might have been some sort of chromate.  I'm imagining that yellow being slightly visible from the wear.  Again, I could achieve that with some wash too.  Still practicing with that before I do the final paint job.

You said 1/48 scale?  The only kit I'm familiar with in that scale is the Bluejacket model.  It's made from wood which provides some different opportunities for weathering.  For example wear down the final paint and stain the wood.  That would look very cool.  I've been working on my Bluejacket kit since... well, let's just say it's been a long time.  I'm hoping to finish that one up this winter.  Here are some photos of it in progress...

In this picture you can see what I mean about the wear on the foredeck.

Here are some photos from the guys at Royal Model.  These are photos of the Italeri 1/35 Elco.  They did some very nice weathering effects on this boat. 

And finally my 109 ready for the paint shop...

 

I hope that helps.

Good luck with your project.

Dave

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Posted by doc-hm3 on Saturday, June 6, 2009 3:42 PM

 David, your boat is looking superb. Did you spring for the White Ensign PE set?

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Posted by weebles on Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:23 PM

Thank you, 

I did but I only used bits and pieces of it.  I used parts to make a master for new torpedo tubes.  The framework for the torpedo tube mountings which was filled in with styrene.  The 37mm is from WEM.  The aft 20mm is from John Haynes.  That was a last minute addition.  Then there's a lot of scratch building in there as well.   

I got side tracked building a couple of ships for the family but I hope to be able to get back to this in a week or two.  I'm going to make a special mounting for it as well.  As soon as I'm done I'll post some photos.

Dave

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Posted by plasticjunkie on Sunday, June 7, 2009 4:12 PM
Outstanding work weebles.

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:10 PM

Hey David,

You are doing a fine job on your boat.  I like your torpedo tubes.

Garth 

 

 

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Posted by weebles on Thursday, June 11, 2009 3:19 PM

Thanks Garth,

It's long overdue for the paint shop but first things first. 

Dave

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Posted by JMart on Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:19 PM
Very nice job... no such thing as too many PT boats! :) 

 

 

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Posted by Model Maniac on Monday, June 22, 2009 10:52 PM

 JMart wrote:
Very nice job... no such thing as too many PT boats! :) 

Ditto! Here's another one built by a Thai modeler named "Niphon" for me:

 

 

  

 

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Posted by weebles on Wednesday, June 24, 2009 6:25 PM

That is a very nice clean build.  It looks extremely well made.  You can be very proud of that model.

Dave

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Posted by EPinniger on Sunday, June 28, 2009 6:57 AM

Here's mine - Revell Germany's issue of the kit as PT-117. I weathered it with a mixture of oil washes (dark oil paints, such as black and burnt umber, very heavily diluted with turpentine) and drybrushed acrylic paint. The former was used to highlight detail and represent shadow, the latter to represent faded paint + salt streaking on the hull.

You might notice that I forgot to rig the mast - this has since been done using "invisible thread"! 

 

  

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Sunday, June 28, 2009 10:35 AM

VERY NICE build sir!

But, she did not carry bow numbers ............

Other than that?  Just WOW! 

 EPinniger wrote:

Here's mine - Revell Germany's issue of the kit as PT-117. I weathered it with a mixture of oil washes (dark oil paints, such as black and burnt umber, very heavily diluted with turpentine) and drybrushed acrylic paint. The former was used to highlight detail and represent shadow, the latter to represent faded paint + salt streaking on the hull.

You might notice that I forgot to rig the mast - this has since been done using "invisible thread"! 

 

  

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Monday, June 29, 2009 7:44 PM
 Hey DOC --- this is a little off base but , isn,t the other p.t. boat by REVELL the old higgins boat from years back . Based on the boxart ,they sure look different to me .     tankerbuilder
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Posted by doc-hm3 on Monday, June 29, 2009 9:29 PM

tankerbuilder, yes it's a "Higgin's" and I believe it's in 1/87th scale.

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Posted by dhenning on Monday, June 29, 2009 11:50 PM
The Revell Higgins is somewhere between 1/96 and 1/100.  I have one that I have been trying to work into a reasonable fascimile of a real Higgins PT for several years now.  Would love to see a modern kit (even a short run resin) of a Higgins PT.  I would prefer 1/72 to go along with the Revell Elco boats.  While we are at it, how about an early Elco 77' in 1/72 as well?  I have a collection of 3 or 4 Airfix RAF rescue boats waiting to be sacrificed into an early Elco boat if I can ever figure out how or get the time to do it.  Looks like it will be easier to model the first boats manufactured by Elco that were lend-leased to the UK rather than a 77' early war version.
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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 8:52 AM

The Revell Higgins PT kit has been reissued as a 1:96 scale kit but it's actually either 1:104 or 1:110 scale, depending who you ask.

 

Garth

 

 doc-hm3 wrote:

tankerbuilder, yes it's a "Higgin's" and I believe it's in 1/87th scale.

                                                    doc

                               

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:43 AM

Well, Dr. Graham's book, Remembering Revll Model Kits, lists it as 1/98 - so there's another choice.

My recollection (from a long, long time ago) is that the figures in the kit were just about on HO scale - which is 1/87.  Somebody really needs to measure it; there's no need for there to be any doubt about the subject.

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Posted by capnluki on Wednesday, July 1, 2009 7:48 PM
Would you be willing to part with your 109?  Just too beautiful to be missing from my collection.  USS Brown my grandfather served on during WW2.  USS Lionfish.  USS Arizona.Pirate [oX)]

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Posted by PTConsultingNHR on Saturday, July 4, 2009 12:45 PM

Sir,

THAT is a very nice PT model.  You should be very proud of it.

Garth 

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 Finescale, Here is a few pic's of my recent build & weathering.The crews were proud of their boats, and did'nt allow much to degrade them. Upkeep was accomplished with whatever they could scavenge. Check out/Google PT-boats and you'll see what I'm saying. This is an early scheme.

                                                                     doc

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