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re: TAMIYA,S FLETCHER CLASS DESTROYER

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  • Member since
    August 2008
Posted by tankerbuilder on Friday, June 12, 2009 7:11 AM
  GOOD MORNING !   I just wanted to put up a few notes about this model as it compares with TRUMPETERS "square bridge"U.S.S. SULLIVANS .  The TAMIYA kit fairly screams ,detail me .! The doors are flat molded detail on the bulkheads . the radar is too small etc . Now , on the stacks, the air intake vents for the blowers is some of the best I,ve seen on a model of this vessel .The TRUMPETER ship on the other hand is overblown with some details. The photoetch for the depth charge racks is too heavy handed , this goes for the side racks too . The doors look like they,ve been molded twice because they are so thick and blowsy looking. The stack vents are way oversize in both thickness and overall appearance .To make these details look right ,break out the X-ACTO and the photoetch !!  The TAMIYA ship with a squared bridge and the 1943-1945 parts TRUMPETER gave would be a better investment of time and money . This is one of the few ships that ,to get it right you,ll have to buy both and scavenge from TAMIYAS to make the TRUMPETER ship look right !!!To have a corrected SULLIVANS you WILL have to do this. TAMIYA should,ve come out with both !!!  tankerbuilder
  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Friday, June 12, 2009 9:00 AM

I once spoke with someone who worked for Tamiya USA regarding the Fletcher and options for it.   The sprue layout indicates that a future square-bridge version was considered.  He said that non other than Mr Tamiya himself, nixed any future work on follow-on kits of the Fletcher.    The kit was met with initial poor sales numbers and did not warrant additional kits.  [Hey, it is only a destroyer why don't we do another release of the Bismarck/Iowa/Yamato, thats where the money is!]   Remember that to us this is a hobby.  To Tamiya and their investors, this is a business. 

Then too, you are looking at the molding and injection capabilities of a decade ago.   That is almost ancient history when it comes to the current state of the art.   If Tamiya were to "fix" their round-bridge kit they would have to cut new molds which were more up to date.   That is an expense which will likely not happen.

Trumpeter has stolen the march on Tamiya.

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Portsmouth, RI
Posted by searat12 on Friday, June 12, 2009 3:01 PM
I don't know how much of a 'steal' was made, as I think the Tamiya Fletcher came out about 20 years ago!  You are right though, it is not really fair to criticize a kit made long ago in comparison with a quite new kit of the same sort of ship... It is what it is, and the price is cheap!
  • Member since
    July 2003
  • From: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posted by ridleusmc on Saturday, June 13, 2009 2:45 AM

In my own humble opinion,

The Tamiya kit is superior.  We all know both companies make some great kits.  However, it seems like Trumpeter cut quite a few corners with thier USS The Sullivans.  The walkway moldings on the main deck were rediculously huge, and the details (hatches, gun mounts, etc) were blocky and unrealistic.  Compared with the Tamiya parts, they were blocky.  The Tamiya kit had some really fine detail.  It would stand well without PE or aftermarket parts. 

I made a rendition of a '43 Square bridge Fletcher about a year ago.  It was my great-uncle's ship, DD-670 USS Dortch.  It had to be right.  In the end I used Tamiya's USS Fletcher for as much as I could, Trumpeter's USS The Sulivans for most of the superstructure, Le'Arsenal for the 5 inch turrets, Tom's Modelworks PE (RIP Tom, you will be missed), and Gold Medal Models PE.  It was a real monster of a project.  However, if you use the Best of Both kits, You're starting off well. 

If your decision is a USS Fletcher from Tamiya, or a USS The Sullivans from Trumpeter, go with Tamiya.  It just looks better.

 Semper Fi,

Chris

  • Member since
    August 2005
  • From: Mansfield, TX
Posted by EdGrune on Saturday, June 13, 2009 6:05 AM
 ridleusmc wrote:

In my own humble opinion,

The Tamiya kit is superior.  We all know both companies make some great kits.  However, it seems like Trumpeter cut quite a few corners with thier USS The Sullivans.  The walkway moldings on the main deck were rediculously huge, and the details (hatches, gun mounts, etc) were blocky and unrealistic.  Compared with the Tamiya parts, they were blocky.  The Tamiya kit had some really fine detail.  It would stand well without PE or aftermarket parts. 

I made a rendition of a '43 Square bridge Fletcher about a year ago.  It was my great-uncle's ship, DD-670 USS Dortch.  It had to be right.  In the end I used Tamiya's USS Fletcher for as much as I could, Trumpeter's USS The Sulivans for most of the superstructure, Le'Arsenal for the 5 inch turrets, Tom's Modelworks PE (RIP Tom, you will be missed), and Gold Medal Models PE.  It was a real monster of a project.  However, if you use the Best of Both kits, You're starting off well. 

If your decision is a USS Fletcher from Tamiya, or a USS The Sullivans from Trumpeter, go with Tamiya.  It just looks better.

 Semper Fi,

Chris

I agree, and your approach is probably the best way to get to a square-bridge Fletcher in injected plastic.   The other source for is the now OOP square-bridge conversion set from Tom's (I agree, Tom is and will continue to be missed).

But, by the time you have bought the two plastic kits and all the aftermarket HOOHAHs necessary to do the conversion you are in the same price ballpark as a resin kit which comes complete with everything you would need from the get-go.   There is nothing mystical or scary about resin.  It is just another medium in our hobby.

  • Member since
    August 2008
Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, June 13, 2009 4:44 PM
 HEY -- EDGRUNE    ------- I do have to agree with you ,but as I have said before I had to stop the resin kits ,even cars ,because of an allergic response to the resin . I have to say that I didn,t know the TAMIYA kit had been around that long either . The two ship approach seems to me the way i,ll have to go . Oh gosh , think of all those extra parts I,ll have to figure out how or where to use .!!!!  That is why I enjoy the modeling art . It,s like the statement from a well known movie , with a change . BUY A BOX OF PLASTIC , AND YOU,LL NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU WILL GET .  That is why the hobby is so fascinating. ! I appreciate the input .  tankerbuilder
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