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Posted by searat12 on Monday, July 20, 2009 8:18 PM
Billy Mitchell 'proved his point' with land-based twin engine Army bombers against an anchored dreadnought that had no defense, and was never designed to deal with air attack in any way.  Shooting fish in a barrel would have been easier, yet how long did it take for Mitchells slow bi-plane bombers to finally sink the un-manned, anchored and undefended old German Dreadnought?  Exactly!  Airplanes able to fly off carrier decks at the time could barely get off the deck, let alone carry a sufficient bomb-load to do anything worthwhile.  And the carriers around at the time were freaks like the 'midlife' HMS Furious, and triple-decked IJN Akagi, and had little or nothing in common with such things as 'Essex', 'Enterprise,' or 'Shokaku.'  Yes, airplanes had been around in a sort of 'combat effective' way for about ten years before the first of the treaties, but not 'combat effective' in a Naval way as anything more than reconnaissance.  It is important to remember, that at the time, there was a great dispute as to what would actually constitute the 'aircaft carrier.'  A LOT of emphasis, and a LOT of planning and money indicated that the Zeppelin would be the best platform for an aircraft carrier, and not a ship at all.... It is important to look at these things, not with 20/20 hindsight, but as they were perceived at the time..... When you do so, you will see that it COULD have gone a LOT of different ways.....
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:18 PM
 searat12 wrote:
....and the airplane came along precisely because such monster battleships and battlecruisers were NOT built!
Airplanes were already around long before the treaties and so were the carriers...Billy Mitchell made his point, and the Admirals got their panties so bunched they drummed him out of the service...but in the end, he was proved a prophet...and so it goes.
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Posted by eatthis on Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:41 PM
 vkim wrote:

There is YMW's 1/350 USS Montana and IHP 1/700 USS Montana. The USS Lex (CC-1) in 1/700 is also done by IHP.

HTH,
Val

 

iv just found tghe 1/350 and er its a little out of my price range lol who is ihp? i cant find the 1/700 version

 

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Posted by Model Maniac on Sunday, July 19, 2009 8:28 AM
 davros wrote:
 warshipguy wrote:

Agreed! With the limitations imposed by the Washington Naval Treaty, the major navies were free to experiment and grow along different lines (within limitations). I find the last line in the ad to be poignant in its spelling "aeroplane".

Bill Morrison

I may be missing something here but aeroplane is spelt correctly at least in British English.

 I second that. "Aeroplane" is a familiar vocabulary. I also wonder whether this is an American English for "aerodynamics". If not, then Bill should not be so unfamiliar with the word "aeroplane". ;-) 

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Posted by davros on Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:48 AM
 warshipguy wrote:

Agreed! With the limitations imposed by the Washington Naval Treaty, the major navies were free to experiment and grow along different lines (within limitations). I find the last line in the ad to be poignant in its spelling "aeroplane".

Bill Morrison

I may be missing something here but aeroplane is spelt correctly at least in British English.

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Posted by vkim on Saturday, July 18, 2009 8:45 PM

There is YMW's 1/350 USS Montana and IHP 1/700 USS Montana. The USS Lex (CC-1) in 1/700 is also done by IHP.

HTH,
Val

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Posted by searat12 on Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:41 PM
I think there are some Montanas about, but in fairly small scale (try Combrig at 1/700?).  There are also 'original' battlecruiser versions of USS Lexington around too....
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Posted by eatthis on Saturday, July 18, 2009 1:51 PM

anybody know if its available in a bigger scale?

are there any models of a montana class bs?

 

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, July 17, 2009 7:42 PM

Agreed! With the limitations imposed by the Washington Naval Treaty, the major navies were free to experiment and grow along different lines (within limitations). I find the last line in the ad to be poignant in its spelling "aeroplane".

Bill Morrison

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Posted by searat12 on Friday, July 17, 2009 6:38 PM
....and the airplane came along precisely because such monster battleships and battlecruisers were NOT built!
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Posted by bondoman on Friday, July 17, 2009 6:32 PM
Where's 'Rat when we need him? I like the last line in the model advert..."and then along came the airplane"!
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Posted by eatthis on Friday, July 17, 2009 3:19 PM

thats the beasty thanks mate :)

now what other models are available in that scale lol

 

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Posted by Trabi on Friday, July 17, 2009 2:44 PM

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hms incomparable
Posted by eatthis on Friday, July 17, 2009 2:35 PM

anybody heard of this ship? it was a propossed monster of a 1000 ft battlecruiser with 6 20 inch guns and a 35 knot top speed!! armour was classed as light but was still 11 inch belt 4 inch deck and 14 inch turret

i think iv seen a 1/1200 kit but cant find any kits at all does anybody know of 1??

 wiki have an entry for it

she was a very gracefull ship kinda like a scaled up repulse

 

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