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Help starting 1/96 Revell Constitution
Posted by CampbellM on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:11 PM

Hello all,

I posted some about this kit oh, probably about two years ago. That's how long this has been sitting unfinished. I used to build lots of models but had never built an Age of Sail ship model. I did have I think an old Ertl Spanish Galleon kit when I was kid but that never got finished either. I think the problem with it was it had warpage issues and somehow was missing some parts. Anyway, I got the 'Constitution' kit on a whim a couple years or so back after reading all the Aubrey Maturin books. Well, now my wife and I moved to a new apartment and we no longer have satellite and we refuse to pay for cable, so hey guess what? No TV = free time. So, I decided to start working on my model again. One thing I remember was a few posters from before had some advice on how to improve the kit out of the box. I tried doing a search and there is simply too much on this kit to wade through on the search results. From what I understand, the kit out of the box is accurate as based on the Hull model and some drawings or plans from the Smithsonian. I'd like to try to depict it as it would've looked during the War of 1812. Will this require extensive modifications to the kit? Also, I do remember that replacing some of the kit parts with brass aftermarket parts was suggested. I seem to remember all these little eyelet things for the rigging - it being suggested that they be replaced by metal parts. I tried making some myself but that was a royal pain in the rear so I'd like to know where to buy some of those, hopefully at an affordable price. Finally, I if it's going to be too much of a challenge to build this to match the 1812 configuration I'll just build it as it is straight out of the box. I'm not averse to some modification but as this is my first ever sailing ship I guess I want to keep the frustration level as low as possible. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

 Thanks,

Matt

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Posted by KAYSEE88 on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 1:51 PM

Matt......i feel you should build it OOB....from all i've read about this kit, its a real beauty and quite accurate.......i built their smaller one OOB and it rocked Thumbs Up [tup]

 

 

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Posted by Mike F6F on Wednesday, August 5, 2009 5:12 PM
Hello Matt and welcome.

It's been years since I built mine, about 30 I think, but I still have it.

There are some nits that can be picked, but on the whole the kit is an accurate representation of the ship in 1812.

That said, there are always steps you can take to improve the kit. Some folks will suggest you purchase wooden rigging blocks to replace the kit's plastic ones. Model Expo is an excellent source for alternate fittings and you can go as far as you and your wallet allows. You might want to try their gun barrels, etc. Others will recommend Blue Jacket for fittings.

If you are good at simple wood working, you may want to try redoing the masts and spars. The kit masts will work fine if you don't want to try the wood.

One thing you can do, simply, that can improve the ship's looks. The hull thickness, when viewed through the gun ports is way too thin. Some research will be needed for the right scale thickness, but you can just add some plastic stock along the sides of each port to rectify that look.

You'll get lots of other tips and suggestions.

"Take your Time" takes on a whole new meaning when working a project of this size and varied model building skills. Nothing is hard, just time consuming and there's lots of repetition. Take it in small bites and it won't seem so big. When I built mine, it was the first and only time I ever kept a work log. I spent 500 + hours building mine and considered it a wonderful time.

Enjoy yours!

Mike

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Posted by RedCorvette on Thursday, August 6, 2009 7:39 AM

I'll second the suggestion to replace both the molded blocks and eyebolts with wood and metal pieces from Model Expo.  They offer bulk packs of many popular sizes.

The rigging instructions included with the kit are quite good. One of the things that takes some patience is getting the rigging tension balanced, so you don't pull any of the masts out of alignment.

Some good tweezers and rigging tools are helpful, especially as you get further along and have to work around rigging that is already in place. 

As mentioned previously, there is a lot of repetition of relatively simple tasks.  It helps to have patience and not rush - the end product will benefit greatly.

This is a classic kit and builds into an impressive model, but it takes a significant commitment on the part of the builder.  I think it's safe to say that probably only a small percentage of these kits have ever been completed. Most modelers abandon it out of boredom or frustration.

 

Good luck,

Mark

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Posted by mkeatingss on Thursday, August 6, 2009 1:12 PM

I've built all of Revell's, large, sailing ship models. I loved them all and built Constitution and Cutty Sark, twice. All the advise given so far is solid gold. I have just one thing to add. Very basic, but VERY important. Test fit every thing!! Do it two or three times, if there are any doubts.

A few drops of water, in place of glue, can help show you, which piece to put the glue on, and how much. So it doesn't sqeeze out and spoil the looks,

 

Mike K.

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Posted by CampbellM on Friday, August 7, 2009 5:35 PM
Thanks for all the advice guys. I remember the Blue Jacket site from when I posted about this kit a couple years back. I'll look into the Model Expo site and check their prices. I don't want to go overboard so I'll probably just buy the blocks and whatever those little eyelet thingies were. That's good to hear that it closely matches the ships 1812 configuration out of the box. Thanks again for all the good advice.
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Posted by Shipwreck on Sunday, August 9, 2009 6:56 AM
To the experts on the Revell Constitution, are the kit blocks in this kit a problem.

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Posted by caramonraistlin on Sunday, August 9, 2009 7:37 AM

Shipwreck:

 

When I built my Constitution I used the kits blocks. The only problem I had was I had to drill out some of them due to flash. Other than that I kinda of liked them.

 

Michael Lacey

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Posted by Cbax1234 on Sunday, August 9, 2009 9:40 AM
I agree.  Like Michael said, the kit blocks are indeed pretty good, aside from the few that needed drilled out. I've had good luck with them in the other large Revell ship kits I've built (Alabama, Kearsarge, Cutty Sark).
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Posted by Mike F6F on Sunday, August 9, 2009 11:27 AM
When I built mine, I used the kit blocks too.

They get the job done, but some prefer using the aftermarket stuff, which tend to be more correct in shape and application.

A fine model can be made with the kit blocks. Just depends on where you want to take it.

Mike

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, August 10, 2009 2:17 AM

Whether the blocks in the big Revell kits are "good enough" really depends, like most such things, on the standards of the individual modeler.  They certainly work, and they look more like real blocks than the ones in most other companies' kits.  Whether they need to be drilled out or not probably will depend on the age of the kit you get; in any case, the drilling process only takes a few seconds.

In terms of accuracy, they have two problems:  they aren't configured like most blocks on a real ship, and there aren't enough different sizes of them.

The typical eighteenth-century block consisted of a wood shell with a very hard wood (traditionally lignum vitae) sheave inside, held in place by a lignum vitae pin.  (Lignum vitae contains a high percentage of oil, which functions as a lubricant for the sheave.)  It had a groove around its exterior.  A piece of rope ran in the groove.  That rope might be a piece of rigging itself, or it might be a short piece, called a strop, with one or two eyes worked into it.  (Eighteenth-century blocks were, with few exceptions, rope-stropped blocks.  Metal stropped blocks came later.) 

The problem for plastic kit manufacturers is that a rigid, two-piece mold (such as is normally used for producing injection-molded plastic parts) is physically incapable of producing a part with a hole through it and a groove around it.  (Think about it.  Such a part wouldn't come loose from the mold.)  The geniuses at Imai, back in the late seventies, did come up with a system for making beautiful, accurately-shaped blocks and deadeyes using the "slide-molding" technique, but Revell and Heller never did.  So they compromised. 

The typical Revell block, if carefully painted, can be made to look convincingly like a rope-stropped block - though the eye will be a bit on the big side.  For the Constitution kit, the modeler may quite reasonably conclude that the kit blocks are plenty good enough.  (The other two big Revell kits, the Cutty Sark and the Kearsarge, are another matter.  They really ought to have, for the most part, metal-stropped blocks.)  There remains, however, the problem of the number of sizes.

The Constitution kit contains single and double blocks in two sizes.  An actual full-rigged ship had at least a dozen, and probably more.  That includes all the ship's rigging - much of which the typical modeler may not want to include.  (I certainly wouldn't recommend trying to include every line in a first project.)  The smaller size in the kit is pretty big for many of the lines in a model on that scale (1/8" = 1').  I don't have the kit in front of me, but if I remember correctly the small blocks are somewhat more than 1/8" long (including the strops).  A foot-long block is a pretty big one.  Trying to reproduce the huge variety of block sizes in a model would be overkill, but having more than two sizes will greatly improve the appearance of the finished product.

Various manufacturers offer aftermarket blocks.  The wood ones sold by Model Expo aren't bad; the wood ones from The Lumberyard are better.  My personal favorite, though, is the line of cast Britannia metal blocks from Bluejacket (www.bluejacketinc.com).  They're properly proportioned for most purposes, and they come in lots of sizes - the smallest of which (nominally 3/32") is just about right for most of the lighter lines of a 1/8" = 1' scale frigate.  They do require some effort; the sheave holes frequently have to be reamed out, and the grooves for the rope strops (Britannia metal can be cast in flexible rubber molds, so it's possible for these blocks to have both holes and grooves) need to be cleaned up with a file.  And, of course, they have to be painted.  (An alternative, if you can justify black blocks, is to dip them in a chemical called "Pewter Black," which Bluejacket also sells.) 

Britannia metal isn't cheap, and a full outfit of blocks for a model like the Constitution will cost quite a bit.  There is, however, no reason on earth to order the whole complement of blocks at the same time.  My custom is to order as many I'll need in two or three weeks, and order another batch when my stock starts getting low.  (Another benefit of that approach:  it's considerably less intimidating than confronting forty or fifty dozen tiny little blocks at the same time.)

It is, of course, up to the individual modeler to choose the route he/she wants to go - in this regard as in all others.  I would, however, suggest that if you're going to replace the kit blocks, you should also consider the deadeyes.  The model's appearance will be tremendously improved if the plastic contraptions in the kit, with their molded plastic lanyards, are replaced with genuine, individual deadeyes rigged with thread lanyards.  Unfortunately, though, setting up deadeyes and lanyards is one of the trickier parts of rigging a sailing ship model.  And, by definition, it has to be done early in the rigging process, before the builder has much opportunity to practice on simpler jobs.  And an eighteenth-century warship has an awful lot of deadeyes. 

If you do decide to go that route, I can enthusiastically recommend Bluejacket metal deadeyes.  But I do suggest giving the whole matter a good deal of thought.  It's a depressing fact of the hobby that most sailing ship models never get finished - especially those started by newcomers.  A bit reason for that state of affairs is that rigging, especially in the case of a big, full-rigged ship, takes so much time and involves so much repetition.  A reasonably thorough rigging job on a Constitution with aftermarket fittings will require about two hundred deadeyes and close to a thousand blocks (depending, of course, on how much of the running rigging the modeler decides to include).  I don't blame anybody who decides that Revell's simplified approach isn't such a bad idea.

Hope that helps a little.  Good luck.

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Posted by RedCorvette on Monday, August 10, 2009 9:12 AM

My personal preference is to use wood blocks, for esthetics if for no other reason. Model Expo blocks can be a bit squarish in shape and need to have the corners rounded a bit; easy to do but again, repetitive and tedious at times. I've got a simple jig I built on my workbench to strop the blocks - it helps to get them consistent.

I'm currently working on the smaller (1/196) Revell Constitution.  In the smaller scale I'll just use knots, sometimes with a drop of glue and some paint to simulate most of the blocks in the rigging.  I'll try to get some in-progress photos sometime soon; I'm currently in the midst of working on the breech lines & tackle for the caronnades.

As far as the big (1/96) Constitution, I think the biggest challenge with the kit is eliminating the seams in the three-piece deck without losing the molded-in detail.  The next time I build one (probably in a couple of years) I'm planning to scratch-build both decks, using a sub-deck covered with wood planking.

Mark

 

 

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