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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 10:38 PM

The advent of the guided missile cruisers and destroyers really put a damper on how a port visit by a nation's ships impresses the local population. The general population sees an Arleigh Burke DDG anchor out in their harbor for a liberty call and only see the little 5" popgun mounted on the bow. They don't realize that its real firepower lays below decks in the 90 verticle launch missile tubes.

An Iowa class battleship has something that they can relate to, nine 16" guns and twelve 5" guns (modern version BB). They don't notice the 32 Tomahawks or the 16 Harpoons on the upperworks. It's the guns! These are the Big Sticks that Teddy Roosevelt was talking about.

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, October 27, 2009 8:47 AM
 Hello there;  Yes, I have to pipe in here. The reference to "bristling with guns" is at least a good description of the last hundred or so years of warship building. This is no longer the case. If you were an unknowing adversary fixing to get close enough to harm these ships, how would you go about it? I think the time for small radar signatures, and non visible weapons systems puts the bad guys at a distinct disadvantage. As for me, I like that idea! The bristling with guns ships were impressive no doubt, but the time has past for that kind of vessel! We should be able to project power and determination in a ship that is up with the technologies of today. Have you ever read the facts about gunned ships, and the extensive maintenance to keep those guns in firing conditions? The big guns had a limited life, then had to retire to have the barrels relined! That is reality. The ships of today, if they are to live up to their ideal life, must be state of the art ,both in capabilities and longevity. I hope the new "LITTORAL" combat ships truly fulfill the role they are to undertake! I kinda like their looks, even though it is strange NOT to see all thet firepower. I wish the crews of all of them GOOD SAILING and to the crew of the NEW YORK, may the memories you carry , drive you to do your utmost for your country and those you remember!  tankerbuilder
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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, October 26, 2009 7:36 PM

The new fast corvettes look awesome. Their pointed bows even look dangerous. Big Smile [:D]

Personally, I like the look of the new USS New York. I think she looks sleek and modern.  I'd dearly love to see a kit of her -- not just because she looks awesome, and not just because of the steel from the Twin Towers in her bow, but because there's a ton of potential to model the Marine landing force and its vehicles! This would make a great kit in 1/144 or 1/72!

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-Drew

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Posted by mfsob on Monday, October 26, 2009 7:34 PM

As subfixer said, "the first thing that we noticed was that it looked as if the ship was giving the world the finger." Now you've really gone and done it, trashed a multibillion dollar psychological warfare campaign before it could get properly started! Oops [oops]

I have to agree with the general sentiment, though ... a warship that's not bristling with guns and missiles and whatnot just doesn't look very, well, warlike.

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Posted by HSteve on Monday, October 26, 2009 6:38 PM
 subfixer wrote:

Are you referring to the masts?

 

Yes, I was; Wrong terminology...

 

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Posted by DURR on Monday, October 26, 2009 12:27 PM

the ship has great potential

i respect the use of the 9-11 metal on the new york

and i would even buy a model of it knowing that the ship is a tribute to 911

but as with all the ships built in the last 30 or so yrs

imho it is butt ugly  PLEASE I MEAN NO DISRESPECT

i love the  pre 1960's stuff with lots of guns, more and diff shapes  etc...

this new look remindes me of  using toddlers little building blocks  evrything looks like sq and rectanles

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Posted by stenscience on Monday, October 26, 2009 10:40 AM

Thanks for the info, subfixer. Interesting that it looks like a modular, almost "plug and play" approach. I guess there must be access from the inside.

I also am not crazy about the design, but if it works, it's good. In Sweden, land of my ancestors, they built one of the most beautiful ships ever constructed, the Wasa. Too bad it didn't work so well....

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stenscience

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:01 PM

This is a description of the mast installed on the USS Arthur Radford, the prototype for the new masts being installed on the San Antonio class LPDs:

The AEM/S System is a 93' high, hexagonal structure, 35' in diameter, enclosing existing radar and providing important signature and other operational benefits. By enclosing major antennas and other sensitive equipment, the AEM/S System protects them from the weather. This reduces maintenance, as well as providing significantly reduced radar signature.

A traditional "Mast Stepping" Ceremony was held on 17 May at Norfolk Naval Shipyard to commemorate mast installation and to honor the AEM/S System Masters who dedicated more than three years to the project.

The AEM/S System ATD has developed a revolutionary mast that is affordable, solves problems associated with current masts, enables new technology required for the Navy's next generation of stealthy ships, reduces life-cycle costs, enhances sustainability, and most importantly, enhances war-fighting capabilities. Successful completion of this ATD is a key element in the incorporation of advanced technology into the topside design for the next generation of surface combatants.

The AEM/S System is a high-risk, high-payoff Advanced Technology Demonstration. Benefits and payoffs include:

Enhanced Performance:
The AEM/S System is fabricated with an advanced composite hybrid frequency selective surface (FSS), designed to allow passage of own-ship sensor frequencies while reflecting other frequencies. Improved sensor performance results from reduction of blockage, false targets and sensor downtime, thereby dramatically enhancing the ship's war-fighting capability.

Affordable Low-Cost Manufacturing:
The AEM/S System utilizes unique materials, creative structures and innovative manufacturing techniques, yet the mast can be produced in a shipyard environment.

Affordable Reduced Life-Cycle Costs:
The AEM/S System's enclosed structure protects radar and communication antennas from weather exposure and provides all-weather access for repair, thus greatly reducing the need for repair, maintenance costs, replacement costs and risk of failure.

Enhanced sustainability:
The AEM/S System concept will enable rapid and seamless transition to the next generation of technology. Features such as embedded sensors, planar arrays, integrated antennas, low observable signatures, reduced topside weight -- all contribute to the Navy's objectives for future warships. Accelerated transition of AEM/S System technology to the LPD 17 is already underway, along with evaluation of its applicability to the SC 21 and CV(X).

The upper half of the AEM/S System is designed to allow passage of own-ship sensor frequencies with very low loss while reflecting other frequencies. It is divided into two radome-like compartments; the upper compartment houses the MK 23 TAS antenna, and the lower encloses the SPSAO air search radar antenna.

The whole system is a free-standing, fully integrated composite structure. Structural design requirements for strength and stiffness meet Fleet requirements for vibration, shock and fatigue. Signature and electromagnetic design requirements are based on criteria associated with sensor and antenna performance, electromagnetic interference, lightning protection electromagnetic shielding, electrical bonding and grounding.

After my shipyard installed it, the first thing that we noticed was that it looked as if the ship was giving the world the finger.

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Posted by stenscience on Sunday, October 25, 2009 4:52 PM

The ship's official website: http://www.ussny.org/

Has some useful info, including an animated cruise-by and cutaway diagram. In the view in the above post, it looks kind of topheavy and it almost looks as if the masts are side-by side, but in a side view it has a more pleasing look.At first, I thought the fore mast was pretty much the standard radar/ecm, etc. and the after one was the stack, but with a closer look, it is not clear what the aft mast function is. Could be ATC/LCcontrol, or it could be stuff we don't need to know.This is a big ship, with a lot of capacity to deliver boots on the beach or littoral pretty quickly. If what you were asking was how they fit the LCACs and aircraft, take a look at the cutaway, although it is not too clear about aircraft hangering (they can carry Ospreys and SuperStallions).With a surge of 800 USMC, that brings the onboard complement to almost 1200-lots of mouths to feed

Regards, stenscience

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:37 PM
 HSteve wrote:
 subfixer wrote:

Personally, I am not fond of the look of this class.

 

I dunno, man...  

I'm not fond of newer Corvettes, but they go FAST...

Is the traditional superstructure enclosed, or have we figured out a way to encompass all the stuff we see on a military naval platform into one handy  package?Mischief [:-,]

 

Are you referring to the masts?

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Posted by HSteve on Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:55 PM
 subfixer wrote:

Personally, I am not fond of the look of this class.

 

I dunno, man...  

I'm not fond of newer Corvettes, but they go FAST...

Is the traditional superstructure enclosed, or have we figured out a way to encompass all the stuff we see on a military naval platform into one handy  package?Mischief [:-,]

 

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 25, 2009 2:36 PM

She's tied up to the pier next to the one I'm working at right now. She is a San Antonio class LPD. This is a very large ship as far as LPDs go and carry 800 Marines. They had a lot of teething problems but seem to be getting them corrected. The New York will be leaving Norfolk soon, like it was stated above, for her commissioning.

This is the section of the bow made with the World Trade Center steel:

USS New York Bow Stem

Personally, I am not fond of the look of this class.

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Posted by stenscience on Sunday, October 25, 2009 8:08 AM

HSteve:

If you are talking about the New York, I have not seen a scale model (buildable). The 'supporters' website has a pewter model for sale at $125, but it is a desk accessory and probably not what you are looking for. I plan to visit the ship while it is here in NYC and will post pics if you like.

Regards,

stenscience

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Posted by HSteve on Friday, October 23, 2009 7:31 PM

 

I just want to know if there's a kit available yet!Dinner [dinner]

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Posted by skylark650hp on Friday, October 23, 2009 4:42 PM

 stenscience wrote:
Actually, I believe the ship asked about with steel from the WTC is the USS New York (LPD-21), which was constructed, I think, in New Orleans and is set to arrive here in NYC on Nov 2. It will be comissioned (I think that is the phrase)on Nov 7.Thanks to the Navy and the great shipbuilders the spirit of the heroes of that awful day will be carried around the world.

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Posted by ps1scw on Friday, October 23, 2009 12:15 PM
The steel was used at the bow, so it'll be leading the way!
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Posted by stenscience on Friday, October 23, 2009 10:29 AM
Actually, I believe the ship asked about with steel from the WTC is the USS New York (LPD-21), which was constructed, I think, in New Orleans and is set to arrive here in NYC on Nov 2. It will be comissioned (I think that is the phrase)on Nov 7.Thanks to the Navy and the great shipbuilders the spirit of the heroes of that awful day will be carried around the world.

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Posted by skylark650hp on Friday, October 23, 2009 10:06 AM
I believe that is the USS Freedom due to comission next year. 2 years ahead of schedule Wow!! [wow]
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Posted by jetmodeler on Friday, October 23, 2009 9:48 AM

Which ship was made from some of the steel that was from the twin towers?

 

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Posted by camo junkie on Friday, October 23, 2009 9:15 AM
well, i thought she was a nice looking ship and im not into "ships"... Big Smile [:D]
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Posted by ps1scw on Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:36 PM

http://www.military.com/news/article/navy-news/uss-freedom-to-deploy-early.html?ESRC=navy-a.nl

LCS-1 USS Freedom set to deploy soon

(completely different design)

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Posted by surfsup on Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:15 PM
Hi CJ. I have read quite a lot about Her as she was constructed by a division of an Australian Company. She is the USS Independence and has been designated as LCS 2. She has a range of 4,500 Nm And can attain in excess of 40 Knots. As I understand, at the moment she is just completing Builders Trials. She is expected to be accepted into the USN later this Year. 

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navy's new ship
Posted by camo junkie on Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:50 PM
"An idea is only as good as the person who thought of it...and only as brilliant as the person who makes it!!"
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