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Posted by Firecaptain on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 2:16 PM

Hey Manny.....that 20% was their holloween on-line cupon special, it expired 10/31.

FUJ60003
1/350 Imperial Japanese Navy Aircraft Carrier "Shokaku" 1941
Your Price: $249.95

Needless to say the cupon made it less painful.....lol......I can wait til they get it in though at that price.

Joe
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Posted by Randy Stone on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:17 PM
 tucchase wrote:
 subfixer wrote:
 tucchase wrote:

 subfixer wrote:
Please pardon my ignorance, but, who's Tony?

Maybe he is the Anthony listed in the byline of the article?

How were we supposed to know that?

I was just guessing that maybe he wrote the article.  When I looked, there was an Anthony listed.  For once I guessed right.Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  I was hoping Randy would list his website.

Tony is here:

http://propnturret.com/tully/

...and shows up quite regularly.

Randy Stone

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 8:03 AM
 subfixer wrote:
ooooo..... a little costly, isn't she? But worth it, if you want her badly enough, I guess.
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Posted by subfixer on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:54 AM
ooooo..... a little costly, isn't she? But worth it, if you want her badly enough, I guess.

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by J-Hulk on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:11 AM
 Firecaptain wrote:

 anthony2779 wrote:
it is out by Fujimi,Greatmodels has it,.

 

FYI....It's out in Japan....but not the US....yet...and GM does not list it in stock......the importer, Dragon USA hasn't even received it yet......



It's been out in Japan since April. HLJ's got it in stock now:
http://www.hlj.com/product/FUJ60003

About $239.00.
~Brian
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Posted by tucchase on Wednesday, November 11, 2009 12:24 AM
 subfixer wrote:
 tucchase wrote:

 subfixer wrote:
Please pardon my ignorance, but, who's Tony?

Maybe he is the Anthony listed in the byline of the article?

How were we supposed to know that?

I was just guessing that maybe he wrote the article.  When I looked, there was an Anthony listed.  For once I guessed right.Smile,Wink, & Grin [swg]  I was hoping Randy would list his website.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:56 PM
 Randy Stone wrote:

...a little careful in making comments about 'silly mistakes' being made in the first six or ten months of the Pacific carrier war.

In the case of the Coral Sea, for instance, commanders were making decisions based on absolutely no wartime experience involving combat between fleet carrier formations.  While not silly--it did cost a few lives, I might point out--Fletcher's mistake in parking Neosho so far forward was hardly silly but a mistake nonetheless.

Many people fault the detachment of Crace to stand between the Japanese surface forces and Port Moresby but again, with the expected canceling out of each other's carrier forces---predicated on prewar training experience--Crace was expected to manhandle the Japanese in the absence of Yorktown and Lexington.

Was it a 'silly mistake' for Hara (with Sho and Zui) to use carrier based aircraft for searches rather than his floatplanes even though, at the very least, conditions were not conducive to recovery ?  Was it a 'silly mistake' for him to send his very best crew to attempt a late afternoon attack against Fletcher (shades of the Mission Beyond Darkness when TF58 went after Ozawa in the late afternoon during the Battle of the Philippine Sea) ?

At Midway, what 'silly mistakes' ?  Browning's numerous botches ?  I suppose one could call those silly...or one could call them something else considering the confusion Browning's decisions caused.  Mitscher sent his airgroup to the west, rather than the southwest.  A 'silly mistake' or a good faith deviation from orders ?  The result of that decision kept Hornet's large group of Dauntless dive bombers totally out of the action on the morning of the 4th.  Was that a 'silly mistake' which led to Yorktown being bombed and torpedoed when she should never have been hit at all ?

Was it a 'silly mistake' for Nagumo to go with doctrine which tied up carriers by divisions, to barrel down on Midway with the thinnest of search screens or to allow Hiryu to engage Yorktown rather than flee west as fast as possible after her three comrades were torched ?

Later, during Guadalcanal when American carriers were sighted, Nagumo flushed his flightdecks pretty darned quickly; Mikawa (as a separate example of experienced learned) flew extensive floatplane searches to the east of his force as he headed down to Savo and victory; and Hiryu had absolutely no business remaining anywhere within range of American aircraft after the morning of the 4th...that was a lesson not grasped in real time.

The whole point being that it is easy to speak of 'silly mistakes' now, but when these folks were operating in real time, under combat conditions, with heavy responsibilities hanging over their heads and without the benefit of the omniscience we have sitting around the card table today, we ought to be a bit more forgiving of matters.

Randy Stone

Some silly, some in poor judgement, some in very poor judgement, some in hubris, some out of ignorance...whatever adjective you wish...

 

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:29 PM
 tucchase wrote:

 subfixer wrote:
Please pardon my ignorance, but, who's Tony?

Maybe he is the Anthony listed in the byline of the article?

How were we supposed to know that?

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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    September 2009
I'd be...
Posted by Randy Stone on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:10 PM

...a little careful in making comments about 'silly mistakes' being made in the first six or ten months of the Pacific carrier war.

In the case of the Coral Sea, for instance, commanders were making decisions based on absolutely no wartime experience involving combat between fleet carrier formations.  While not silly--it did cost a few lives, I might point out--Fletcher's mistake in parking Neosho so far forward was hardly silly but a mistake nonetheless.

Many people fault the detachment of Crace to stand between the Japanese surface forces and Port Moresby but again, with the expected canceling out of each other's carrier forces---predicated on prewar training experience--Crace was expected to manhandle the Japanese in the absence of Yorktown and Lexington.

Was it a 'silly mistake' for Hara (with Sho and Zui) to use carrier based aircraft for searches rather than his floatplanes even though, at the very least, conditions were not conducive to recovery ?  Was it a 'silly mistake' for him to send his very best crew to attempt a late afternoon attack against Fletcher (shades of the Mission Beyond Darkness when TF58 went after Ozawa in the late afternoon during the Battle of the Philippine Sea) ?

At Midway, what 'silly mistakes' ?  Browning's numerous botches ?  I suppose one could call those silly...or one could call them something else considering the confusion Browning's decisions caused.  Mitscher sent his airgroup to the west, rather than the southwest.  A 'silly mistake' or a good faith deviation from orders ?  The result of that decision kept Hornet's large group of Dauntless dive bombers totally out of the action on the morning of the 4th.  Was that a 'silly mistake' which led to Yorktown being bombed and torpedoed when she should never have been hit at all ?

Was it a 'silly mistake' for Nagumo to go with doctrine which tied up carriers by divisions, to barrel down on Midway with the thinnest of search screens or to allow Hiryu to engage Yorktown rather than flee west as fast as possible after her three comrades were torched ?

Later, during Guadalcanal when American carriers were sighted, Nagumo flushed his flightdecks pretty darned quickly; Mikawa (as a separate example of experienced learned) flew extensive floatplane searches to the east of his force as he headed down to Savo and victory; and Hiryu had absolutely no business remaining anywhere within range of American aircraft after the morning of the 4th...that was a lesson not grasped in real time.

The whole point being that it is easy to speak of 'silly mistakes' now, but when these folks were operating in real time, under combat conditions, with heavy responsibilities hanging over their heads and without the benefit of the omniscience we have sitting around the card table today, we ought to be a bit more forgiving of matters.

Randy Stone

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Yes...
Posted by Randy Stone on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:34 PM

...Anthony (Tony) Tully.

All 'round good guy and an excellent detective.

Randy Stone

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Posted by tucchase on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:24 PM

 subfixer wrote:
Please pardon my ignorance, but, who's Tony?

Maybe he is the Anthony listed in the byline of the article?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:32 PM
 subfixer wrote:
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 bbrowniii wrote:
 Randy Stone wrote:

I think the list price was $338.00 minus 20%.

Shock [:O]Boohoo [BH]

I believe it is $288 at Great Models---if the reviews and pics of the test shots are accurate I'd shell out the dough for it...this class of Japanese carrier, IMO, was the most pleasing to the eye, and arguably the best class they designed...

Here is a link to an account of the sinking of Shokaku. It was partially written by the authors of Shattered Sword.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/shoksink.htm

 

I have about completed my read of "Shattered Sword" and I love it...very interesting insight...I have also delved further into the early carrier battles, such as Coral Sea and Santa Cruz...if you think that some silly mistakes were made at Midway (by both sides), read the details concerning the Coral Sea debacle...whoa...
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Posted by stikpusher on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:58 PM
Brookhurst Hobbies had a new 1/350 Shokaku in a couple weeks ago when I was there. I saw it.

 

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:32 PM
Please pardon my ignorance, but, who's Tony?

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Tony...
Posted by Randy Stone on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 6:20 PM

...has since developed more information about the loss of Sho.  It might pay to contact him on his site and he may be able to direct you to where it is.  I don't happen to know offhand where that information may be found.  When I hear of it, I hear of it directly from Tony.

Randy Stone

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 5:47 PM
Fascinating reading ,Subfixer,written much like Shattered Sword,very good,thanks for the link !!

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:52 PM
 Mansteins revenge wrote:
 bbrowniii wrote:
 Randy Stone wrote:

I think the list price was $338.00 minus 20%.

Shock [:O]Boohoo [BH]

I believe it is $288 at Great Models---if the reviews and pics of the test shots are accurate I'd shell out the dough for it...this class of Japanese carrier, IMO, was the most pleasing to the eye, and arguably the best class they designed...

Here is a link to an account of the sinking of Shokaku. It was partially written by the authors of Shattered Sword.

http://www.combinedfleet.com/shoksink.htm

 

I'm from the government and I'm here to help.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:37 PM
 bbrowniii wrote:
 Randy Stone wrote:

I think the list price was $338.00 minus 20%.

Shock [:O]Boohoo [BH]

I believe it is $288 at Great Models---if the reviews and pics of the test shots are accurate I'd shell out the dough for it...this class of Japanese carrier, IMO, was the most pleasing to the eye, and arguably the best class they designed...
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Posted by bbrowniii on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 4:03 PM
 Randy Stone wrote:

I think the list price was $338.00 minus 20%.

Shock [:O]Boohoo [BH]

'All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing' - Edmund Burke (1770 ??)

 

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Brookhurst Hobbies...
Posted by Randy Stone on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:59 PM

...had one sitting on the shelf last Sunday.  I think the list price was $338.00 minus 20%.

Randy Stone

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Posted by Tojo72 on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:17 PM
 Firecaptain wrote:

 anthony2779 wrote:
it is out by Fujimi,Greatmodels has it,.

 

FYI....It's out in Japan....but not the US....yet...and GM does not list it in stock......the importer, Dragon USA hasn't even received it yet......

I used that Dragon 20% holloween cupon and my Dragon bucks and pre-ordered it for a "deal I just couldn't refuse" price....lol

 

Thats a long time since that kit was first seen,I thought it was out already,I guess thats why no ones written about it,oh well I opted for the Akagi anyway,don't have enough room for two large IJN Carriers.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:26 AM
 Firecaptain wrote:

 anthony2779 wrote:
it is out by Fujimi,Greatmodels has it,.

 

FYI....It's out in Japan....but not the US....yet...and GM does not list it in stock......the importer, Dragon USA hasn't even received it yet......

I used that Dragon 20% holloween cupon and my Dragon bucks and pre-ordered it for a "deal I just couldn't refuse" price....lol

That coupon still around?
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Posted by Firecaptain on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:48 AM

 anthony2779 wrote:
it is out by Fujimi,Greatmodels has it,.

 

FYI....It's out in Japan....but not the US....yet...and GM does not list it in stock......the importer, Dragon USA hasn't even received it yet......

I used that Dragon 20% holloween cupon and my Dragon bucks and pre-ordered it for a "deal I just couldn't refuse" price....lol

Joe
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Posted by Tojo72 on Monday, November 9, 2009 2:45 PM
Are you talking about the 1/350 Shokaku,it is out by Fujimi,Greatmodels has it,although i have not seen too much on it.

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Shokaku?
Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 9, 2009 9:45 AM
Wasn't there supposed to be a brand-new Japanese carrier coming out soon---or was it the Hiryu?
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