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USN Mine Sweepers
Posted by koda360 on Wednesday, December 2, 2009 11:11 PM

I'm looking to build a mide sweeper for an uncle of mine who serverd time on one somewhere around the Nam or Korea conflicts. I think he graduated HS in '69. I know it was the USS Fidelity "Fido" out of Panama City, Fl. That's about all I know.

I was wondering if there were any mine sweepers ever produced in scale or any ships that would be a good starting point for this particular ship. Also looking for information on the ship, or atleast pointed in the right direction as I know nothing about mine sweepers in general.

Any help would be great, and thanks in advance.

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, December 3, 2009 12:14 AM
Try using the "Search" function below.

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Posted by Publius on Thursday, December 3, 2009 12:40 AM
I've seen at least one small wooden hulled minesweeper model in plastic on Ebay. Very sleek looking small ship a little bigger than a PT boat if I remember. Almost bid on it but it went for over 50 bucks with shipping. Good luck, Paul

How does this work?

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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, December 3, 2009 1:53 AM

To my knowledge the only plastic American (or other) minesweeper that's ever been released is the old one from Lindberg.  The new ownership of the company has recently re-released it:  http://lindberg-models.com/water_model70830.html .  It dates from the late fifties, I believe, and features most of the characteristics of kits from that era.  But the basic shapes seem to be right; I haven't seen it "in the flesh" for many years, but it looks to me like it's capable of being turned into a nice model.

I wonder if the kit Publius is thinking of may be the WWI subchaser, originally issued back in the fifties by ITC and more recently reissued by Glencoe Models:  http://www.squadron.com/NoStock.asp?item=GM09305 .

We must not, however, rule out the possibility that there is indeed another minesweeper kit out there, and that my senile brain has either never heard of it or forgotten about it.

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Posted by stikpusher on Thursday, December 3, 2009 2:38 AM
The old Revell Calypso kit (Jacques Cousteau ship) was made from a converted minesweeper IIRC. Long out of production, but a nice starting point of a kit if you can find one.

 

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Posted by koda360 on Thursday, December 3, 2009 2:41 AM

Hey, thanks for the timely replies. I did find some pre built types (not the way I wanna' go) on the www in the price range of, let's say "over 2 grand" (really not the way I wanna go). They look like nice models, but I'm a DIY kinda guy, which brings me to the first reply, I did try the search feature and it returned 4 results here and 2 in the dio section, nothing even came close to answering my question, so then and only then I created my post.

The Lindberg kit looks very close, but the roof of the cabbin is different. I think it would be an easy fix, but I'll have to compare with the few pics of the vessel I'm after, to see if the rest of the ship is close, or if scratch building would be the better way to go.

I did learn it's MSO 443. Part of the agressive class (AM 432 - AM 449) originally commished AM 443 on 19 Jan. 1955, reclassed to MSO 443 on 7 Feb. 1955, decommished 19 May 1989, Call sign was NLZL (Geezer Echo), and sold for scrap around 1990 for about $13,000.

Just wondering, if MSO stands for Mine Sweeper Ocean, what does AM stand for?

 

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Posted by subfixer on Thursday, December 3, 2009 4:18 AM

"A" designates "auxilliary", and "M" designates "mine".

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 3, 2009 6:23 AM
The best bet for the MSO class which the Fidelity was a member is the Lindberg Minesweeper class.    The resin manufacturers have not covered this class.
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Posted by jtilley on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:53 AM
Cousteau's Calypso is indeed a converted USN minesweeper - with a wood hull.  The idea of converting the Revell kit "back" to a minesweeper is an interesting one.  I suspect it would be quite a project; the Calypso was quite extensively modified.

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Posted by alross2 on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:25 PM

 EdGrune wrote:
The best bet for the MSO class which the Fidelity was a member is the Lindberg Minesweeper class.    The resin manufacturers have not covered this class.

Well.... that might be stretching it a bit...Smile [:)]  FIDELITY (MS0 443) was 172' x 35' and wooden-hulled, while the Lindberg kit represents the ADMIRABLE class 184' 6" x 33' and steel-hulled.

Al Ross 

 

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Posted by Senior Chief (ret) on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:40 PM

The Lindberg minesweeper kit is an ADMIRABLE Class minesweepr from WWII.  The CALYPSO was converted from a YMS (Yard Minesweeper), also a WWII ship.

 The USS FIDELITY was indeed an AGGRESIVE Class MSO.  Floating Drydock has plans for USS EXPLOIT (MSO 440) which was also an AGGRESIVE Class Minesweeper.

Go here to find info and drawings of the mechanical sweep gear the ship carried. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14160_ch8.pdf

Go here to find info and drawings on influence sweep gear carreid.  http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14160_ch11.pdf

Matt

Senior Chief Mineman (USN Ret.)

CIC Officer, USS PIONEER (MCM 9)

CIC Officer, USS ARDENT (MCM 12)

1st LT, USS CHAMPION (MCM 4)

"I can imagine no more rewarding a career. And any man who may be asked in this century what he did to make his life worthwhile, I think can respond with a good deal of pride and satisfaction: 'I served in the United States Navy.'"

President John F. Kennedy, 1 August 1963, in Bancroft Hall at the U. S. Naval Academy.

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, December 3, 2009 7:52 PM
http://hnsa.org/doc/plans/mso438.pdf
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Posted by koda360 on Friday, December 4, 2009 7:21 PM

Thank you all very much for the info and replies. I will look into the plans for the MSO440, as it seems it would be the closest.

 

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Posted by CG Bob on Saturday, December 5, 2009 12:05 PM
The Dumas USS WHITEHALL PCE can be converted into an ADMIRABLE class mine sweeper without a lot of effort.  The kit is 1:96 scale, and is 23" loa.  I did a review of the kit a few years ago in Ships in Scale magazine.
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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, December 9, 2009 1:31 PM

Well, thank you fellas. By answering this young man you answered my questions too.That,s like asking me about Gearing class D.D. s that have been F.R.A.M.med. I was on the U.S.S. OZBOURN D.D.846 when she went through the program.I was in the engineering dept. So when, I wonder are we going to see pictures from this builder on his MSO.   tankerbuilder

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:24 PM

IPMS Deutchland is reporting the re-release in 2010 of the Revell Calypso under the Revell AG label

http://www.ipmsdeutschland.de/FirstLook/Hersteller_News/Revell_News_2010_I.html#table1

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