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Marx SEA WITCH
Posted by kp80 on Sunday, December 6, 2009 8:02 PM
I was just digging out the Christmas ornaments from the attic and came across a forgotten kit in my stash.  It's a partially constructed model of the SEA WITCH, made by Marx Toys, NY.  The previous owner was my wife's late uncle, it was handed over to me after he died about 20 years ago.  It's in the original box -- a large corrugated box about 24"x7"x10".  The hull and main deck are assembled.  I did a quick inventory and all of the remaining parts appear to be present.  It's an interesting kit -- it appears to be of early 1960's vintage.  It has a lithographed tin deck, and formed plastic sails.  I'll say one thing -- the plastic hull is very thick and heavy, much like a toy, but then again, Marx was a toymaker!  Instructions, decals, rigging thread, and rigging tools are all present.  There is also a box about the size of a small crayon box that says "The Captain and Five Members of the SEA WITCH," and it contains six little flesh-colored plastic figures.  There are a number of metal fittings included, as well as metal anchor chain.  According to the instructions "In ten to 100 hours you can have a model that would formerly take literally thousands of hours of highly skilled work," and "the kit will furnish many evenings of pleasant hobby pastime, or can be assembled as a handsome unrigged model in a few hours."  Talk about a choice, but from what I see this kits begs a decent investment of time.  They even tell you how to build a case for it.  Does anyone out there know anything about history of this kit?  I'd love to find out more.
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Posted by jtilley on Monday, December 7, 2009 12:03 AM

This is an important kit in the history of the hobby.  We've discussed it several times here in the Forum; if you do a search on the words "Sea Witch" you'll find several interesting threads.

I'm fairly certain that the Sea Witch kit currently being sold by Lindberg ( http://lindberg-models.com/water_model70812.html ) is a slightly modified version of the same kit.  The original - remarkably - had a deck made of pre-painted sheet metal; that's been replaced by plastic parts.  Otherwise the new kit seems to be essentially identical to the old one.

I've never actually seen either version outside the box, but on the basis of photos it looks like a pretty high-quality product - even by modern standards.  (Considering that the design is now over 50 years old, that's a remarkable tribute to the people responsible for designing it.)  Especially in view of how few good, large-scale plastic sailing ships are currently on the market, this one certainly deserves to be taken seriously.  There's little doubt in my mind that it's capable of serving as the basis for a fine scale model.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by caramonraistlin on Monday, December 7, 2009 6:50 AM

Greetings:

I quite agree it's an interesting kit. I'm amazed at the quality of the pre-painted metal deck in it. I have the Marx and the Lindberg copy of it and they are almost identical except for the replacement of the deck with a plastic one. I thought it was an interesting touch where the instructions show you how to even make a display case for it. If I ever get around to building one of mine I plan to replace the molded sets of shroud eyes with individual wooden ones from Model Expo. Right now I'm taking a break from ship models after having just finished the 1/350 scale Akagi which took the better part of a year of part time effort to build. I'm doing a few models from the dark side (Luftwaffe planes in 1/72 scale) right now which much to my surprise take no time at all compared to a  large ship mdel. Good luck on your kit I'm sure you'll enjoy it.

 

Michael Lacey  

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Saturday, December 12, 2009 7:43 PM

Hey,kp80-- guess what? I just came across the same kit in my Very old stored stuff.Like yours it has the metal deck(except the fordedeck) I found to my surprise ,I also had another (MFGR UNKNOWN) that had all the deck pieces and they fit the MARX/LINDBERG ship perfectly.The mystery with mine is who did make it.  ??The molding on the second one surpasses even REVELL in detail on the hull.The thing is it,s very dainty and almost in scale The thing had a ratline making jig like the later HELLER kits I have .The thing also has five little pink figures. Can,t wait to start it, but, I have a lot of modern stuff I got to finish first.I do believe that AURORA had a square stern clipper too., Any info on that Pro. Tilley??? I will let you be the go to guy on this O.K.??? tankerbuilder

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Posted by Big Jake on Saturday, December 12, 2009 8:24 PM

If I remember, the Lindberg issue (for what ever reason) removed or wanted/needed you to drill out all the belaying pins?  I wonder if that is still true?

 

 

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Posted by kp80 on Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:04 PM

I just found a small manila envelop in the kit box that contains 4 small drill bits.  I wonder if they came with the original kit, or if they were thrown in by the kit's original owner.  You do, in fact, have to drill out the blocks and the belaying pins.  In addition, one whole sheet of the instructions is a "drilling diagram."   I'm going to have to do some disassembly of the main deck to get some of the attached plastic parts painted.  According to the instructions, the metal decks 'pop in' by bowing them slightly and fitting the edges into a groove all around.  I think I should be able to pop them out and remove the plastic parts that are attached to the metal deck.  The plastic parts attach to the deck by virtue of some small pins that insert through the deck and are 'melted over' from the underside.  I can't get over how sturdy the hull is.  According to the instructions, it can be sailed.  They say it requires 32 oz. of ballast.  No doubt this has something to do with the sturdiness of the hull.

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Posted by ctreemer9 on Thursday, March 4, 2010 7:56 PM

I am glad I found this forum. I recently came upon a Marx Toys Sea Witch. It has been passed down through my family. I do not know much about it and can not seem to find much.  It is in the original box(near mint),all parts are in bags(including the cement), and has never been attempted to be put together. It has the tin metal deck. Can anyone tell me more about it? Possible value? I am looking to sell this piece. Any knowledge or help is appreciated. Thanks

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Posted by kp80 on Thursday, March 11, 2010 11:09 PM

I'm not sure what a mint kit would sell for, but I started building mine and I'm really enjoying it.  I've never built a kit like this.  I have to say the 1:96 scale is a joy to work in.  My motivation for the build is a request from my older brother for a sailing ship to adorn his new condo at the beach.   I have to scratch build a few lost/damaged parts, but hey, it's all part of the challenge! 

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Posted by lenroberto on Monday, March 15, 2010 2:53 PM

I am building this for the 2nd time-  replacing a lot of plastic with wood and used copper tape for hull for first time.

-Len

if images are not rendering-  see first 4 here:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v34/lenroberto/models/

 

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Posted by paulhelfrich on Friday, March 26, 2010 2:18 PM

I'm glad I noticed this thread.  I have the Lindberg issue of the Sea Witch (probably 25 years old) in my stash.  I haven't started it, but it is indeed an impressive kit.  And huge!  

 

 

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Posted by kp80 on Sunday, July 17, 2011 3:13 PM

Well, after about a year and a half I finally have something built (almost).  Here is the Marx SEA WITCH.  All that is left is to add the decals.

I had a lot of fun building this.  I never thought of doing a clipper ship, but my older brother asked if I could build something with sails to display in his condominium at the shore.  I'm building the acrylic case for it now -- it's huge, about 36" long x 24" high x 12" wide.  It will cover the model on the oak base you see in the picture.

I started with the stock kit, and had to do a lot of cleanup.  The kit was partially built when I got it, with the original metal lithographed decks in place and most of the deck pieces attached.  I disassembled it, cleaned everything and started anew.  Some of the parts were missing and had to be scratchbuilt.  I tried to use every original part that I could, however, in some case I had to punt and make new parts.  I replaced the metal decks with plastic, as the edges were starting to rust.  Also, the rail on the stern had a terrible fit, so I redid that.  I tried to use the old decals, but that didn't work out.  I have to make them and put them on.

I just had to use those vacuum formed sails, since they are part of the original kit.  They were a little brittle, so I took some very thin sprue and glued it along the edges to prevent the edges from tearing.  Some of them were misshapen and had to be heated over a candle to take out the "dents".  You will see some of those spots in the photos.

I "stiched" the sails on as shown in the instructions, and was very pleased with the result.  I didn't go crazy with the rigging.  For one, it started to get harder and harder to find places to attach it and I was having trouble weaving in and out of everything.  I was also afraid of breaking something in the process.  I'm sure some of the clipper ship experts out there will see the errors in the rigging!

The rat lines took the most time to make.  I used heavy black thread to run the vertical lines, then used crazy-glue hardened black thread (for stiffening) and glued them across the vertical lines with white glue.  I had to be careful with the tension in the rigging, as things would easily pull and bend all over the place (and sometimes break)!

I found some of the original parts had gotten brittle, so I had to be very careful when working with the model.  I broke some of the mast parts a few times and had to reglue them.

I painted the model with Testors paints.  I used a wash on most parts, and a little pastel to shade and "dirty up" some areas.  I sealed everything with flattened Future.  There were six crewmembers that came in a separate box, which I painted according to the instructions.  The guy you see on the bow I found out is actually supposed to be up on one of the mast platforms, but I found that out AFTER I mounted him on the focsle.  I ended up putting a guy on one of the mast platforms -- he's the only one sitting down -- and you will see another guy on deck calling up to him.  I figured if I was a seaman in those days, I'd climb the mast, find a good place to sit, and take in the view!

The Captain is back on the stern with his helmsman.  He has a yellow ascot!

The deck has some add-ons to make the viewing interesting.  I added some crates that are covered in a net, and some stacks of dunnage lumber (one of them covered with a tarp), as well as some barrels (also covered with a tarp).  I also made a few sacks and placed them around one of the deck houses to cover a big gap between the deck house and the deck itself.  I made a few rolled up tarps out of tissue paper and placed them on top.  You'll also see some oars scattered around (made from brass rod and plastic) as well as some coiled ropes, lines, etc.

The bilge pump needed a crankshaft and a few other parts that were missing.  That's the big handwheels you see painted red.  I tried to make the model colorful, but avoid a toy-like appearance.  One thing I like about using washes and pastels is that my underlying paint job doesn't have to be perfect!

The flags at the top of the main and mizzen mast are the original paper flags that came with the kit.  However, I made the flag on the foremast -- it has my brother's initials on it, for that personal touch!

The bow has the original copper chain that came with the kit.  It cleaned up nicely and looks sharp!  The anchor chain I already had in my parts kit.  The anchor stocks were scratch-built.  I must have broken off that dolphin spike a dozen times during the build!

Hope you enjoy the pics!

 

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Posted by shoot&scoot on Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:51 PM

WOW!!  I would say you did your wife's late uncle proud with the way you resurrected this fine old kit.  Love all of the intricate details and painting.  The figs are a nice touch.  Congrats on what looks like a very involved build.

                                                                                            Pat.

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Posted by kp80 on Monday, July 18, 2011 11:12 AM

Thanks Pat, I appreciate the kind words.

Now that I'm done, one thing I cannot bring myself to do is throw out the box, instruction booklet and the lithographed metals decks that I did not use.  I'd love to find a way to display those items, but for now will just have to store them.

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Posted by Powder Monkey on Monday, July 18, 2011 11:23 AM

Maybe you could flatten the box and frame everything in a sort of collage.

 

Pete

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Posted by BaBill212 on Monday, July 18, 2011 11:32 AM

Outstanding job kp!         Simply outstanding......    and quite the accomplishment too. The painting and weathering are great. You certainly did the kit justice.

Be very proud of it!

 

Mostly,,      thanks for sharing

 

Bill

Enjoy the ride!

 

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Posted by kp80 on Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:14 PM

Pete,

Thanks for the great suggestion regarding display of the box and instructions.  I'm going to see if I can design something that incorporates them into a large frame of some sort, maybe a shallow-depth shadow box or something.  I'll post some photos, too!

Bill,

Thanks for your kind words.   I'm looking forward to finishing the display case, and delivering it to my brother.  He's seen some progress photos, but not the whole package.  For one, I think he'll be impressed by the size alone!

 

Thanks for looking, and happy modeling!

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Posted by SWolf001 on Monday, July 25, 2011 1:53 PM

Wow what a great job- I'm in the middle of my own build of this very model. The lithographed deck looks great. Mine had the plastic deck- I sanded off the wood grain and glued on individual wood planks to get a more authentic look. One of the other posts mentioned using copper tape to replicate the coppering below the waterline, if you ever do another period ship model try that technique- I did and it works spectacularly well,  the results are easily worth the added cost and time.

   once again great job and thanks for posting.

   steve wolfrum

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Posted by kp80 on Thursday, August 11, 2011 8:31 PM

Thanks Steve.

As much as I wanted to, I did not use the metal lithographed decks, as they were a little creased and had some rust.  I bought some Evergreen sheet stock that looked like planking, and substituted it for the lithographed decks.  I had some decal trouble, though.  I tried to restore the original decals, but they are unusable.  I scanned the originals and cleaned up the image, then printed my own, but the ink is too light against the black hull.  Luckily, the company that makes these decals for the Lindberg version of this kit will sell me a decal sheet for $2.50.

The acrylic case is done.  I'll post photos of the completed build in the case, hopefully in a few weeks.

Steve, please post some photos, would love to see what you're doing!

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