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USS Missouri in 1/535 scale
Posted by phoneguy on Thursday, December 31, 2009 2:47 PM

I just got a scale 1/535 model of the USS Missouri by Revell.  This will be my first ship, I normally build aircraft and helo's so any help will be appreciated.  Are there any PE's to dress this up out there or any ideas on the best way to make it look Great?  If anyone has built this model, are there any problems with fitting?  thanks

 

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:24 PM

Well, for a kit that has been in production for about 40 years or more it's not too bad, and in fact is one of my oldie favorites.

 

It's showing it's age though, the details are kinda soft in places, especially the main #1 turret is only about half as tall as it should be, and some of the 5' gun turrets are rounded. The bottom of the hull is the most serious matter, as when this kit was made, evidently Revell didn't know what the Iowa class hull below the waterline looked like.

 

I actually took 2 kits and built mine, so all the main 16" turrets and 5" turrets would match, and cut the hull off at the waterline. The main deck fits to the top of the main hull, and some filling and sanding is in order.

 

There are 1/500 scale PE rails and such available that will work fine should you wish to use some. Overall I give the kit a 5 out of 10.  You will have fun in any event. One of these days I will get around to finishing the detailing, and put in in the water.

 

 

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Posted by EdGrune on Thursday, December 31, 2009 4:45 PM

phoneguy

I just got a scale 1/535 model of the USS Missouri by Revell.  This will be my first ship, I normally build aircraft and helo's so any help will be appreciated.  Are there any PE's to dress this up out there or any ideas on the best way to make it look Great?  If anyone has built this model, are there any problems with fitting?  thanks

 

Tom's Modelworks makes a set of USN battleship and cruiser PE for the 1:500-ish box-scale kits.   Toms also has generic 2 and 3-bar railing in this scale.

Before you are able to use it you will have to do some destruction to remove the molded-on walls which stood in for railings in the old Revell kits.  The kit is very dated when compared to the current state-of-the-art ship model kits

 

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Posted by phoneguy on Thursday, December 31, 2009 5:33 PM

Thank you for the info, i do need to do some research on the 'mighty mo' also.  I have to have surgery on my shoulder and thought this would keep me out of my wife's hair for awhile.  if you could, would you send me pics to my email address?  michaeljvondeylen@prodigy.net  I would appreciate it. 

thanks again for the info!!

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Posted by kustommodeler1 on Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:39 PM

There is an enormous wealth of pictures on www.navsource.org

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Posted by phoneguy on Friday, January 1, 2010 9:28 AM

thanks for the link, i'll have to check it out.  Happy New Year!!

 

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Posted by jtilley on Friday, January 1, 2010 12:21 PM

We've had several interesting discussions of this kit here in the forum.  I think it's safe to say that (1) it most emphaticaly does not represent the state of the art in plastic ship kits, and (2) it's of enormous importance in the history of the hobby.

It was in fact the first ship kit - and by some definitions the first scale model kit - produced by Revell.  (The company name had appeared on a series of antique car kits and a batch of tiny "ships in bottles" a couple of years earlier, but those had originated with a company called Gowland.  The Missouri molds were the first that originated with Revell.  My source on all this is Dr. Thomas Graham's fine book, Remembering Revell Model Kits.)

The kit initially appeared in 1953.  I haven't actually compared the parts to a set of accurate plans, but I suspect the kit's accuracy is marginal in just about every dimension.  (The U.S. Navy did publish, late in the war or shortly after it ended, a series of simplified ship plans prepared specifically for model builders.  I imagine the kit was based on those, or maybe on the Edward Wiswesser plans that, I believe, were appearing at about that time.)  The earlier comment in this thread about the inaccuracy of the underwater hull shape is certainly on target.  In 1953 the hull lines of the Iowa class (and most other Navy ships that had been launched after the war started) were still classified.  (The official plans the Navy sold to model builders, if I remember right, only showed the above-water shapes.)

There's room for argument about what the first plastic warship kit was; the strongest contender for the title may be the Varney Gato-class submarine (a revised version of which is still being sold under the Lindberg label).  But the Revell Missouri certainly was among the very first.  That being the case, the designers had no precedents to guide them.  Injection molding was a relatively new process, and nobody knew what the market for such kits would be like.  (Would it be practical to mold the 20mm guns as individual pieces?  If so, would the average purchaser be able or willing to glue them all in place?  Would the purchaser rather have guardrails represented by heavy plastic "walls," or omitted altogether?  For that matter, just who was the average purchaser - and how old was he?  Was he an 8-year-old kid? A high school student?  A 35-year-old Navy veteran?)  The only competition was in the form of wood kits (sometimes with metal detail castings), that were produced by companies like Monogram.

The decision makers at Revell apparently guessed right; the kit was a big hit with the public.   A year later Revell released a modified version with an electric motor, and a year after that came the company's first venture in selling one kit as two ships, with the release of the U.S.S. New Jersey.  (That one was slightly modified:  it had helicopters rather than float planes.  It also contained instructions and box art depicting the ship in the experimental dazzle paint scheme that the Missouri wore while she was on trials - and that the New Jersey never wore.)  By the end of 1955 the Revell ship line was off and running, with a Baltimore-class heavy cruiser, a Fletcher-class destroyer, a PT boat, a Midway-class carrier, the liner United States, a Chris Craft flying bridge cruiser, and a totally fictionalized representation of the submarine Nautilus.  (All the features of that one were classified; the Revell designers just guessed at what she might look like.)

The second edition of Dr. Graham's book (the one I have) covers the history of Revell through 1979.  By that time the old Missouri kit had been reissued six times, under the names of all four members of the class (Iowa, New Jersey, Missouri, and Wisconsin).  I suspect it's reappeared at least that many times since then. 

In all honesty I have extremely mixed emotions about it.  As a scale model it's hard to take seriously.  (Comparing it to, for instance, the recent Tamiya 1/700 version is like looking at inhabitants of two different planets.)  And I really question the ethics of promoting it every few years as a "new release."  (Revell now apparently has access to the molds that originally were made by Monogram and Aurora.  If Revell wants an Iowa-class battleship in its range, it has, by my count, at least four others to choose from - all of them better-detailed and more accurate than the old 1/535 version.)  On the other hand, as a specimen of what plastic modeling was like fifty years ago it's a fascinating museum piece.  And for us Old Phogies who can remember those days, it's a wonderful exercise in nostalgia.  I still remember heaing up a kitchen knife on the stove to flare over the ends of the mounting pins on all those gun mounts; if you did it right, the 16", 5", and 40mm guns all would rotate - along with the aircraft catapults.  And the model would rattle noisily when you shook it.  AND it would float in the bathtub.

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Posted by lastastronaut69 on Monday, September 27, 2010 10:14 PM

i noticed in your on the bench list that your working on the 1/35th blackhawk. im assuming that its the MRC kit. which platform. I have the pavehawk,so Im wondering how far you have gotten on yours and if you have any tips or advice on whose aftermarket accessories are best. I havent even started mine yet.

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Posted by Dr. Hu on Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:24 AM

When I was young my brother and I built quite a few of these kits. I still have some in various stages of disintegration. I don't know why I keep them except for the memories as there are certainly much better kits of these ships out there now. One thing we did though with the older kits was take off the decks and put in water tight bulkheads using sheet plastic and a wood burning tool. After putting in several transverse bulkheads along with one longitudinal one we would put in several torpedo holes, attach a length of string and shove it out into the farm pond and watch it sink, then pull it out and do it all over again. Each time we modified it we learned a little more about damage control, counter flooding and design. It helped me understand more about such things as I read about various naval engagements and how damages were handled including why the unsinkable Titanic  sank so quickly. I'm still learning.

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Posted by phoneguy on Friday, October 22, 2010 4:44 PM

Sorry it's taken me so long to get back.  haven't had the chance to check this out lately.  i'm planning on  some version of the uh-60l blackhawk.  got the photoetching from edwards.  still putting things and designs together.

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