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New Orleans class detail question
Posted by bondoman on Monday, January 25, 2010 7:47 PM

I'm unable to make the "search" feature find any older posts about this class, USS San Francisco or otherwise, so I'm compelled to put up a new post.

About two thirds of the way into my build of CA38 I was looking at Life Magazine photos that were posted on another forum, and it would appear that the following is the case:

The guardrails on the main decks are mostly a system of collapsible stanchions through which line is rigged when they are erected. If that is true, then wouldn't a suitable compromise for modeling be to use PE bar rail, but paint the horizontals either tan or at least light grey, rather than hull color?

Any help much appreciated.

 

Bill

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Posted by Surface_Line on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:29 AM

That was the system (and has been the system) for guardrails/railings/lifelines for years and years and years, not just limited to that class or to WWII.   The vertical pieces (stanchions) are holders and endpoints and redirectors for long flexible horizontal pieces of different stuff.  (It seems more obvious if we refer to them by a name that doesn't sound as hard and fixed as "railings" or "guardrails".  Sailors, especially those in the Deck Department, tend to refer to the "lifelines".

You're right - a different shade of grey would show this best.  I was on one ship with an experimental rig of a grey hard fiberglass material on the portside main deck and a black coated cable sort of thing on the starboard side.  I was First Lt, and responsible for reporting on them to NavSea.  The fiberglass thing did not like cold (it shattered lengthwise) and the black coating tended to melt a little bit if we forgot to lower the lifelines for a missile shoot.  On that ship, on the higher superstructure decks, the lifelines were made of a cable material that weathered to a greenish color after a short time.

But the question remains - do you want to paint all those little bits of horizontal guardrail a different color to improve realism?  It seems like  TON of work to me, but I think in 1/700 scale, and perhaps you're working in 1/350?

Good luck
Rick

 

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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:05 PM

Surface_Line,  what is "s s *report me*?

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Posted by Surface_Line on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:28 PM

Funny you should ask.  Something made every instance of "a" as a single word in that post appear as s s *report me*.  It isn't happening with anything else I write, and when I went back to edit the post, I couldn't see it in either the editor or the preview, and now it is just plain gone.  Has anyone else ever seen that happen?

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Posted by ddp59 on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 4:45 PM

server glitch as in this site not yours?

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Posted by mfsob on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 6:13 PM

Now, now, gentlemen, this is the NEW AND IMPROVED forums!

There will be no more of this "searching" business, we "filter and sort"! So what if you can't find what you want, it's NEW AND IMPROVED.

And there are no errors on the part of the NEW AND IMPROVED forum software, it must be your computer, so just ignore all of those postings reporting similar things,

In fact, anything negative that anyone has to say about the NEW AND IMPROVED forums is just a bunch of whining by a few isolated crybabies and rabblerousers who are too stupid to appreciate the great gift they have had forced on them.

I'm sorry, it's been rather a long day, but after dilligent filtering and sorting I did manage to find the one thing in here that I was looking for ... Bang Head

 

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Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 10:56 PM

Thanks much for the info, Rick. I'm building in 1/350. It seems doable to me, in particular if I paint them grey first and then pick out the stanchions in Navy Blue. Can't be too hard...Whistling. Maybe get a pool of blue, dip the edge of the Xacto into it and tap the post quickly.

On the upper decks, I'll try to see what's pipe, paint that all blue. The ladders too.

But I think it would look better in general.

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Posted by Surface_Line on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 10:24 AM

Yes - I was thinking backward.  'Twould definitely be better to paint the whole thing the color of the horizontals first, and then go back and pick out the vertical stanchions afterward.

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Posted by EdGrune on Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:09 PM

A minor fly in the ointment for your consideration ---

The bottom rail on most PE sets represents the gutter or channel which goes around the perimeter of the deck.  It is raised and helps prevent stuff from just rolling off.   It is pierced at intervals to allow water to flow overboard.   The gutter or channel will be painted either as the hull at the location or perhaps as the superstructure located behind it.  

I'm at work and they've blocked access to my Photobucket account so I cant post a photo which shows the gutter on the Alabama.   I'll do it later.

So to do the paint job properly,  the bottom rail and the stanchions would be blue and the upper rails should be hemp or stainless wire-colored.

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Posted by bondoman on Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:14 AM

That's a point. i was looking at this image:

So it would seem that the bottom rail otta be blue.  I painted the PE fret Gull Gray as a good match for somewhat antiquated hemp. I'll paint the stanchions and bottom "rail" Navy Blue.

Here's where I am so far. Sorry about the bad photos.

Here comes the Trumpeter 1/350 CA38 USS San Francisco.

I really like this model, although the opportunities to improve it are endless.

So far I've put together the major parts, and have painted Measure 21.

The 5" and 1.1" guns are from L'Arsenal.
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I've scratchbuilt the searchlight tower, added detail to the stacks.
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Washed the deck with diluted black paint in alcohol.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, February 4, 2010 3:44 PM

Very nice work, Bondo---is that the Trumpy kit? 350th?

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Posted by MrSquid2U on Friday, February 5, 2010 1:16 AM

I've got the San Francisco in 350th and 700th and look forward to them both. I'm also enjoying seeing the other builds getting shared here!

 

Thanks.

       

 

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Posted by Big Jake on Saturday, February 6, 2010 6:37 PM

Does this help?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_New_Orleans_(CA-32)

Also the Baton Rouge, LA. Navel Museum has an excellent LARGE model of the USS New Orleans, even cut-away (about 11 ft. long.

http://www.usskidd.com/

Click on "Virtual tour" and it will detail different parts of the museum, it IS impressive. Contact them and they will be abel to send you some pictures I'm sure.  I've always gotten real good help from them.

From their page of info.

Ship Model Collection

 

It has been called "the largest model ship collection in the South" and it is located here at the USS KIDD Veterans Memorial. Sponsored by the Baton Rouge Ship Modelers Association, this collection features models of such famous vessels as TITANIC, the Confederate raider CSS ALABAMA, HMS SOVEREIGN OF THE SEAS, Admiral Horatio Nelson's HMS VICTORY, the battleship USS MAINE, the Coast Guard Training Ship EAGLE, and the beautifully crafted USS NEW ORLEANS (CA-32). And with the nation's busiest river just a few hundred yards away, it is only natural that models of many of the local tugs and cargo vessels that have plied the Mississippi's waters appear alongside the warships of yesteryear.

 

Jake

 

 

 

 

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Posted by navypitsnipe on Friday, February 12, 2010 12:00 PM

nowadays we use stanchions that have the bottoms threaded so that they can screw into the deck, they are haze gray and have hooks on them which the lifelines hang in. the lifelines themselves are steel cable with a black nylon coating to serve as chaffing gear, and at each end is a hook and a turnbuckle. i'll try to find a picture to post showing them

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Posted by diggeraone on Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:05 PM

well Bill i do have pics of the frisco through the book me dad gave me.he served on her during WWII

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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 21, 2010 1:17 PM

bondoman

 

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm150/6134rdm/fafc8db87f860799_landing.jpg

Wow, those are some small depth charges they are tossing...

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Posted by shannonman on Sunday, March 21, 2010 2:06 PM

Perhaps they're after midget subs. Big Smile

OR,

Perhaps it a CANadian ship Big Smile

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