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Posted by sumpter250 on Thursday, March 18, 2010 3:18 PM

1/48th scale was commonly called "quarter scale" because a quarter of an inch on the model was the same as a foot in real life.

The "discipline" of scale model building, is, in reality, not really a discipline. "Quarter scale" as I learned it, was  1/4 of a foot (3") equaled 1 foot (prototype 12"), or 1/4" = 1"

There really was never any coordinated discipline of choosing reduction ratios for model kits(best example? "Box Scale"). If there had been, all kits would be in scales that also contained other "things". For example;

aircraft: 1/48, 1/72, 1/144, etc.;

Ships, 1/700, 1/350, 1/96,etc.

Trains/structures, 1/220, 1/160, 1/120(TT scale I believe),1/87,1/64,1/48(How did THAT happen?)1/2*.xxx (the odd world of "G" gauge)

Cars, 1/24, 1/25,etc.......(and then there is die cast).is my mind totally scrambled?, or wouldn't it have made more sense, and been more universally salable?, to agree on common scales?  As a model railroader I have come to appreciate that the general public really has no idea of the correct size relationship of, ...say a modern helicopter, and an 0-4-0 steam switcher, so close can be "good enough", not that these would normally be "displayed" together, or a coastal schooner, and a 40' box car. Diorama displays could benefit immensely from a standardization of scale for all the things that are modeled in kits. Just a thought.

Yeah, a Sumner class destroyer, in HO (1/87) scale would be somewhere around four and a half feet long!

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Posted by mfsob on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:07 PM

I would agree that 1/700 is Godawfully small - the only reason I picked it is because when I got back into the hobby, the Victory ship I wanted to build came in that scale, or one of the cost- and space-prohibitive huge scales, 1/96 I think. And now that I have started in 1/700, I'm loath to change into another scale, that and there is such a huge and rapidly growing number of offerings in the things I like, i.e., auxiliaries, non-combatants, cargo ships and the like.

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Posted by seasick on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:37 AM

1/600 scale would provide better detail and be easier on large hands. Also it is a nice ratio 1" = 50',  1cm = 6m.

1/500 scale might be to big: 1cm = 5m or 1" = 41'8"

1/535 scale: 1cm = 5.35m or 1" = 44' 7"

1/550 scale: 1cm = 5.5m or 1" = 45'10"

1/570 scale: 1cm = 5.7m or 1" = 47' 5"

A kit at the scale of 1/555.59 would have twice the volume of all 1/700 kit. So, 1/550 might be the scale your looking for.

1.5x  greater volume than 1/700 is 1/611.506 which is close to 1/600 scale.

1.59x greater volume than 1/700 is 1/600

1.75x greater volume than 1/700 is 1/580.87

2.0x greater volume than 1/700 is 1/555.59

 

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Posted by Konigwolf13 on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:48 AM

I'm tempted for Fujimi's 1/500 Yamato, myself. A little more accurate then the old tamiya 350 scale (I hope).

As for the 600 scale Airfix, they may of been good in the day but, the quality of the kit now it does more harm than good to a once fine companys reputation.

Andrew

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Posted by Harshman II on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:46 AM

stikpusher

There are also a decent selection of kits in 1/400 and 1/500 scale out there. The 1/400 kits coming from Europe and 1/500 from Japan. 1/500 seems to be making a comeback lately with a few new releases being advertised. And a handfull of 1/450kits are avaialble as well.

Hope the 1/500 scale collection will continue to grow. I will definitely support these scale if the prices are right.

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Posted by stikpusher on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:53 AM

There are also a decent selection of kits in 1/400 and 1/500 scale out there. The 1/400 kits coming from Europe and 1/500 from Japan. 1/500 seems to be making a comeback lately with a few new releases being advertised. And a handfull of 1/450kits are avaialble as well.

 

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Posted by Harshman II on Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:40 AM

I know airfix has some 1/600 scale warship series. I bought a 1/600 Ajax cruiser before. But after my observation, increase to 1/550-1/570 will be a better choice for handling and display.

1/350 in my opnion is nice for destroyer and cruiser but too big for Battleship and Carrier.

The biggest I have is 1/450 IJN Akagi which I am pleased with it for the price and size. But even now I still have problem storing and displaying it properly. I was once tempted to get 1/350 Trumpeter CVN Nimintz for my birthday but is massive size finally puts me off amd I go for the 1/700 scale version.

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, March 15, 2010 9:45 PM

New Hampshire

 Lufbery:

Yup! Airfix has a bunch of ships in 1:600: http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/ships/warships/

That's pretty close to what you're looking for.

Regards,

 

I don't want to hijack this thread, but since it does sort of go with the subject at hand I do have a question.  What are the quality of the Airfix 1/600 kits?  I have only ever worked with one Airfix kit, an aircraft (1/72 Douglass Boston) and it was a miserable kit.  I grant it is probably an old mold (it was a recent pop, just the mold itself I assume is an old one), but the fit was horrible (gaps you could sail a ship through, yuk yuk Big Smile ), the plastic soft, and the detail a bit clunky.  I do have a couple old Airfix aircraft kits in my stash that are slightly better, but not by much, but they are old kits in every respect (mold and pop....I bought them off eBay as a lot only so I could get the 1/72 Kingfisher I wanted).  Now, I want to be fair and not judge their 1/600 ship kits from a rather sparse exposure to their older aircraft kits.  That is why I ask.

Brian

I think it's fair to say that the Airfix ship kits were always pretty close, if not equal, to the state of the art when they were originally issued.  But that covers a long time.

The first Airfix warships (the Hood, Bismarck, Nelson, some destroyers, and, if memory serves, a couple of the cruisers) date from the late fifties and early sixties.  To the typical model builder of that era, who, like me, was about twelve years old, they seemed great - and they compared pretty favorably with the competition (mainly Revell and Aurora).  But I don't think any serious adult modeler today would regard them as much more than interesting museum pieces.

In the late sixties and the seventies, Airfix introduced some warship kits that were at least a generation ahead of the original batch.  The Ark Royal is - well, good enough to provide a basis for a serious model; so is the Warspite.  The Iron Duke is one of my old favorites - largely because it was, for many years, the only WWI battleship available in plastic kit form.  (Come to think of it, unless we count the ICM 1/350 German kits, the Arizona, Pennsylvania, Warspite, Mikasa, and a few other Japanese ships that are represented in WWII configuration, it still is.  There's a situation that really needs to be remedied.)  It suffers from some proportional errors, and I've never figured out why there are enormous donuts on the ends of the barrels of its secondary armament, but it's certainly worth building (and I see Airfix has just reissued it). 

Airfix's last hurrah in the late seventies, shortly before the company went into receivership, was a small group of British warships that really could stand comparison with what the Japanese manufacturers were producing at the time:  the Belfast, Repulse, and King George V.  Those, if you can find them, are definitely worth the trouble - not on the standard of the very latest from Dragon or Tamiya or Hasegawa, but certainly nice kits.  And White Ensign makes some nice photo-etched detail sets that can turn them into first-rate finished models.

That most recent generation of Airfix 1/600 kits feature what I regard as the best solution to the great "waterline vs. full-hull" problem.  The hulls are molded in port and starboard halves, complete with underwater sections.  On the inside of each half a deep groove is molded at the waterline.  To make a waterline model, the modeler runs a knife blade along he groove a couple of times and snaps the underwater hull off.  No problems of fitting the upper and lower halves together. 

I obviously have some affection for those old kits; as an American modeler who sort of grew up with them, I associate them with the sort of exotic, foreign products that could be bought at the hobby shop (rather than the drug store or department store).   But I have to admit that the older Airfix warships (and older Airfix kits in general) are mainly of interest as exercises in nostalgia.

Now that Airfix seems to have risen from the ashes, maybe we'll see some really nice new British warships from that company.  I certainly hope so.

Returning to the original subject of this thread - I'm something of a 1/700 fan, but that's largely for purely practical reasons.  I recognize that the latest 1/350 kits are masterpieces, but my budget just can't handle most of them.  And at age 59 my increasingly weak eyes and arthritic fingers are reminding me that 1/700 is awfully small.  In retrospect, I'm inclined to wish the industry had standardized on a slightly larger scale.  (Frankly I think Renwall and Frog had a good idea:  1/500.  But to my knowledge those companies were the only ones that embraced that scale.)  If Airfix does get back into the warship business, it will be interesting to see what scale it picks.  (I know a 1/350 H.M.S. Illustrious and a 1/700 Titanic are in the pipeline - but the latter, as I understand it, is a reboxing of the Academy kit.  Will Airfix commit to 1/350 and/or 1/700?  Will it revive 1/600?  My money is on the former.)   

I'm inclined to think that, for those of us who can't handle the outlay of hundreds of dollars for 1/350 kits like the Hasegawa Akagi, 1/700 is firmly established as the scale of choice.  And I must say I'm extremely impressed with the latest 1/700 products from companies like Tamiya, Trumpeter, and Dragon.  Now if they could just all agree on what an Oerlikon gun looks like....

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Posted by ddp59 on Monday, March 15, 2010 8:34 PM

depends on when the model was molded helps determine whether model is good or bad fit wise. if molded recently on old mold then most likely have isses but if molded years ago as in just after production started then model should be alright.

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Posted by New Hampshire on Monday, March 15, 2010 7:27 PM

Lufbery

Yup! Airfix has a bunch of ships in 1:600: http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/ships/warships/

That's pretty close to what you're looking for.

Regards,

I don't want to hijack this thread, but since it does sort of go with the subject at hand I do have a question.  What are the quality of the Airfix 1/600 kits?  I have only ever worked with one Airfix kit, an aircraft (1/72 Douglass Boston) and it was a miserable kit.  I grant it is probably an old mold (it was a recent pop, just the mold itself I assume is an old one), but the fit was horrible (gaps you could sail a ship through, yuk yuk Big Smile ), the plastic soft, and the detail a bit clunky.  I do have a couple old Airfix aircraft kits in my stash that are slightly better, but not by much, but they are old kits in every respect (mold and pop....I bought them off eBay as a lot only so I could get the 1/72 Kingfisher I wanted).  Now, I want to be fair and not judge their 1/600 ship kits from a rather sparse exposure to their older aircraft kits.  That is why I ask.

Brian

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Posted by Lufbery on Monday, March 15, 2010 2:48 PM

Yup! Airfix has a bunch of ships in 1:600: http://www.airfix.com/airfix-products/ships/warships/

That's pretty close to what you're looking for.

Regards,

-Drew

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Posted by Tracy White on Monday, March 15, 2010 12:33 PM

No thanks. I'll stick with 1/350th

 

There used to be ship models in 1/600th scale, which I believe would make that a better choice than 1/570th.

1/48th is an architectural scale and has nothing to do with Tamiya other than them using it due to its commonality with aircraft models. 1/48th scale was commonly called "quarter scale" because a quarter of an inch on the model was the same as a foot in real life. With 1/72nd scale, 1/6 of an inch equals a foot, but I'm not sure if it was ever called "sixth scale."

Common architectural scales used in ship modeling are 1/48, 1/96, and 1/192... notice a pattern?

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Posted by Publius on Friday, March 12, 2010 11:07 PM

Hmm. Sometimes I want everything in the scale I'm working on like 1/96. Sometimes I want to build a ship, but it's only avialable too small. You might try building to size not scale. Would you like a nice 7-9" model? The 1/700 I have is about 3 inches long and kind of baffling because of the smallness of everything. Problem is large or small the all take a lot of time! Good luck, Paul PS Back to my Revell CSS Alabama.

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New scale for warship???
Posted by Harshman II on Friday, March 12, 2010 10:59 PM

Sometimes I find 1/700 too small and delicate for some model and parts..  While 1/350 maybe too big for it, like aircraft carrier..

I would like manufacturer come up with a 1/570 scale which is a fit between 1/700 and 1/350.

Just like what Tamiya do with their new armour series of 1/48 which is a between 1/72 and 1/35..

 

What do you think?

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