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Re Pyro Ship Models

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Posted by bad hat on Wednesday, May 12, 2010 12:20 AM

Don`t feel old. Only cool people are into old model kits!

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  • From: Greenville, NC
Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, May 11, 2010 11:02 PM

I, too, am a fan of the old Pyro ship kits - and I wish more of them would reappear. 

There is, however, one aspect of the company's early history that's a bit unsavory:  its basing of its kits on the products of wood kit manufacturers.  The Harriet Lane is almost a mirror image of the one from Model Shipways (originally released in the late 1940s).  Same goes for the Pyro fishing trawler (Model Shipways Hildina), "Independence War Schooner" (Model Shipways Roger B. Taney), diesel tugboat (Model Shipways Dispatch No. 9), Gertrude L. Thebaud (Marine Models), and maybe a couple of others that I've forgotten.

The subject was still a source of bitterness at Model Shipways forty years later.  I remember hearing the two founders of that excellent firm, John Shedd and Sam Milone (a couple of first-rate gents who rarely said anything unpleasant about anything or anybody), referring to Pyro as "Pirate Plastics."  John and Sam had founded MS just a few years earlier, and they were afraid that Pyro, with its easier-to-build kits and lower prices, was going to run them out of business.  Fortunately they were wrong.

One of the minor ironies in the history of the ship model kit:  Lindberg has reissued some of the old Pyro kits, and Lindberg products are now being distributed by Model Expo - which bought out Model Shipways when Sam and John retired.  So this ex-Pyro plastic kit:  http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=LB77221 and this solid-hull wood Model Shipways one:  http://www.modelexpo-online.com/product.asp?ITEMNO=MS2011 appear in the same catalog and on the same website.  I wonder how many customers notice the similarity.  (For that matter, I wonder if the people at Model Expo are aware that one kit was originally pirated from the other.)

I feel old....

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by bad hat on Monday, April 26, 2010 11:16 PM

Great old photo.A friend in my modelers club who handles distribution of new kits says the Lindberg re releases of the Lane, the Clermont and the Bobtail cruiser should be out by the end of June or Early July.

Also set for re release are the Monitor and Merrimac-probably the old Pyro molds as opposed to the Lindberg molds and the Roger B Taney  aka the Texas War of Independence schooner. The very beautiful Chris Craft Constellation cruiser {ex Marx} is also set to make a comeback.

While classic kits like these may not excite armor or airplane modelers,they are always good to have around, especially for us older modelers  who cut their teeth on them years ago.

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  • From: Carmichael, CA
Posted by Carmike on Monday, April 26, 2010 1:33 PM

I guess the Harriet Lane has been a favorite build for a long time.  According to a press release from Lindberg, the Harriet Lane (along with the Bobtail Cruiser and the Clermont) will be released this year but there is no mention of them on their web site yet.

There have been several good discussions about the Harriet Lane in the forum - and Ed Pinninger has recently built a very nice version of the HL, the photos are over at www.modelshipgallery.com.

One caution about the HL kit - the Dahlgren cannons and the Parrott Rifle are grossly out of scale, and the gunports in the hull are too low for them (I suspect that the gunports are from the original plan when the Harriet Lane was equipped with 32 pounders) - so you will need to re-size the gunports (contemporary photos of similar ships indicate that the railing above the gun port was hinged and folded back when the gun was run out to permit it to elevate).

A description of the Harriet Lane following her capture by the Confederates in Galveston reports that the forward guns were mounted in pivot carriages (presumably so that they could be trained on ships during chases).  There's a great picture of a similar mount on the Pawnee at http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/h90000/h90536.jpg (I'll try to copy it in below).

Good luck.

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Posted by paulhelfrich on Monday, April 26, 2010 1:31 PM

Thanks, I'll keep that tip in mind!

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Posted by bad hat on Sunday, April 25, 2010 10:37 PM

Yes, the "HL" is a nice model. The Life-Like and Lindberg re releases are  both from the Pyro molds that date back to 1955. The `55 Pyro release had an assembled AND pre painted hull. The instruction sheet was also very nicely done and featured pencil and charcoal drawings of the boiler room, inside of wheelhouse, cannons and general drawings of the ship itself. A far cry from today`s "by the numbers" instruction sheets.

I built it about 4 times myself. Once in the mid 60s when I was about 11 years old, once in the mid 70s, and twice in the 80s. I gave one to my uncle and he has it on display in his rec room.

I`ve also got the wooden kit and considering it dates to just right after WW11, it really ain`t too bad, but kind of crude by today`s  standards. The solid wood hull does need a lot of work, but  if you give it the time, you can make a nice model from kit.

This ship always reminds me of the paddlewheel steamer from the movie "Around the World in 80 Days",the one they cut down for wood for the boilers  when Fogg purchases it to return to England to win the bet. I`m sure that Lindberg will re release it again.

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  • From: Sydney, Australia
Posted by Robert on Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:39 PM

I consider the Pyro Harriet Lane my favourite model of all time. I am on my seventh attempt in 44 years and never get tired of it. (The current one I'm working on is a Life Like example). What put me off ever attempting the wooden Model Shipways version, apart from the fact that I have never made a wooden model, is the half paddle wheels stuck on to the bottom of the paddle boxes. The plastic version is surely far superior. The Roger B Taney was also a great model, also the Clermont, Tug, Gerturude L Thebaud and Robert E Lee. Memories...   

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Posted by bad hat on Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:33 PM

Excellent model Paulhelfrich. Very fine detail. If you build it, disregard the plastic sails and make sails from thin cloth. For a really nice touch, mount the finished boat on a wooden base. Pyro really did their homework on this one. It compares very favorably with pictures that I`ve seen in the better ship books. PS -seen some of your builds in Model Warships.com. Very nice.

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Posted by paulhelfrich on Sunday, April 25, 2010 7:26 PM

I was fortunate to find the Staaten Jacht kit at a model show a while back from a vendor who has a lot of old stock.  Can't wait to build it!

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Sunday, April 25, 2010 6:16 PM

I think that at one time I have built just about all of them.WHY??? Because they were fun little builds that didn,t require a treatise on rigging to make look nice.I have given a lot of them away as little gifts.They ,re still lots of fun and to use a word not usually connected to model ships,in a lady friends words("They sure are cute!!)    tankerbuilder

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Re Pyro Ship Models
Posted by bad hat on Sunday, April 11, 2010 5:15 PM

Aside from the very simple Constitution, Mayflower, Santa Maria and Barbary Pirate Ship that first appeared in 1952 with dowel masts and paper sails-that were later upgreded to vac forms, Pyro Plastics did in fact base their larger sailing ships on the wooden kits by Model Shipways of Bogota, NJ. First appearing in 1955 these were large well detailed models. They were re-issued many times by Pyro up until the early 1970s when Life-Like purchased the molds. Lindberg  began re-issuing them in appx 1979.

In the late 60s, Pyro introduced more historic ships   like the Dutch Gouda, the French St. Louis, the British Sovereign of the Seas, and the Portugese Santa Catarina Do Monte Sinai, a heavily armed carrack type ship of the early 16th. Century.

With the exception of the hard plastic sails with the molded on yards ant the grossly overscale  injected molded ratlinesand shrouds, these were excellent, well detailed models that can still hold up today. The box notes from the St. Louis even capture B. Landstrom`s description from his excellent work,"The Ship"

The smaller English Galleons-The Great Harry, The Ark Royal and the Revenge were also not too bad-except for the Ark Royal that features a grossly out of scale underwater  part ot its hull-and , error of errors-a steering wheel on the poop deck, a feature that did not appear on real ships until the end of the 17th. century, some 90 years after the Spanish Armada.

The small scale Dutch Staaten Yacht is a masterpiece. . I`m surprised that this little gem was never re issued. Even though it says it dates from the 1660s and has the wheel, this is not a major issue since the basic design of these boats remained the same for the next 100 years.

These are all nice models. Should you build one, eschew the sails, make some decent yards and use the Heller loom to do the ratlines and shrouds. This will greatly improve the appearence of the finished models.

In retrospect, Pyro deserves credit for releasing these kitsWether they were designed to be "mass market"  or appeal to the serious ship modeler does not matter. They are always being re-released or you can snag one on E Bay for a good price.

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