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New Ship Wreck found in Lake Michigan - L.R. DOTY

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Posted by TD4438 on Sunday, June 27, 2010 9:33 AM

crackers

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100624/capt.1c95731821144191a920d26d13af4344-1c95731821144191a920d26d13af4344-0.jpg?x=400&y=224&q=85&sig=EHl9V7GCgbDyGrWIKNcDQA--

      I noticed that the toppled smoke stack of the L.R. DOTY is covered with either zebra or quagga mussels. Quagga mussels, native to the Caspian Sea, now have invaded most of the waterways of Europe and Great Britian. First noticed in September 1989, on the Great Lakes, more than likely introduced by the discharge of ballast water, the invasive mussels is now found in the major water areas of the East Coast and even in Lake Mead in Arizona. Covering every under water surface, the mussels are spread by being attached to recreational boats, which are transported from one water surface to another. Here in Idaho, the Department of Fish and Game have check points to inspect boat bottoms before entering a lake or reservoirs in a desperate attempt to prevent introduction of this invasive species.

      Quagga messels and zebra mussels are a good news/bad news situation. On the good news front, they provide additional food for native fish species and a noticable increase of better water quality by the vast amounts of water filtration through the organism. On the bad news, which offsets the good news, quagga mussels remove essential phytoplanktons necessary for the aquatic food chain. They are a threat to industry and recreation by colonizing pipe screens and waterway structures of water treatment and power plants. Recreational structures are infested on docks, bouys, beaches and breakwalls. Removal is almost impossible, causing an economic strain on local communities.

     Montani semper liberi !      Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                      Crackers         Geeked

 

The Great Lakes are loaded with Zebra Mussels.They clean up the water,but screw with the ecology.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:36 AM

My shipmodeling specialty is lakers, and I would love to model a ship from that era- I've done five lakers already.  But I know of no scale drawings of a ship from that era, and the picture is not enough to do good drawings from.  I suppose I can now, having a specific ship name, do better research to find more photos, key dimensions- who knows, maybe even drawings :-)

http://www.usfamily.net/web/stauffer/shipmod.html

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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    March 2007
  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Sunday, June 27, 2010 1:40 AM

Spent my summers as a kid on the St. Claire River watching those Lonnnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg ships go by.

 

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    March 2004
  • From: Kincheloe Michigan
Posted by Mikeym_us on Saturday, June 26, 2010 8:58 PM

crackers

http://media.jsonline.com/images/shipwreck1_062410.jpg

  This is a photo of the L.R. DOTY taken as the vessel was passing the Soo Locks in 1896.

  For those of you who are scuba divers, one of the divers wrote how the dive was made to reach the wreck at 320 feet. It took 5 minutes to reach the vessel, which included a 1 minute stop at 20 feet to check on equipment. At the 50 foot level the dive team encounted swift currents. The equipment used was closed circut mixed gas rebreathers. Emergency cylinders were placed on the line on the way down, as any failures at the lowering depths would have serious consequences. Upon reaching the wreck, 30 minutes was spent on exploration and taking videos and photographs. Decompression time on the way to the surface, was 95 minutes to prevent the bends. The tank breathing mixture was Trimix, that consisted 9% oxygen, 75% helium and 16% nitrogen.  The water was so cold, that electric heaters were required inside the drysuits to avoid hypothermia.

         The diving pair plan to return to the L.R. DOTY later this summer for more exploration and photos and to see if human remains could be observed.

       Montani semper liberi !       Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                                    Crackers             Geeked

                     

Actually it is quite interesting as I do work at the Soo Locks and have seen plenty of different ships going in and out almost daily some older than the 1940's.

On the workbench: Dragon 1/350 scale Ticonderoga class USS BunkerHill 1/720 scale Italeri USS Harry S. Truman 1/72 scale Encore Yak-6

The 71st Tactical Fighter Squadron the only Squadron to get an Air to Air kill and an Air to Ground kill in the same week with only a F-15   http://photobucket.com/albums/v332/Mikeym_us/

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    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Saturday, June 26, 2010 5:23 PM

      I noticed that the toppled smoke stack of the L.R. DOTY is covered with either zebra or quagga mussels. Quagga mussels, native to the Caspian Sea, now have invaded most of the waterways of Europe and Great Britian. First noticed in September 1989, on the Great Lakes, more than likely introduced by the discharge of ballast water, the invasive mussels is now found in the major water areas of the East Coast and even in Lake Mead in Arizona. Covering every under water surface, the mussels are spread by being attached to recreational boats, which are transported from one water surface to another. Here in Idaho, the Department of Fish and Game have check points to inspect boat bottoms before entering a lake or reservoirs in a desperate attempt to prevent introduction of this invasive species.

      Quagga messels and zebra mussels are a good news/bad news situation. On the good news front, they provide additional food for native fish species and a noticable increase of better water quality by the vast amounts of water filtration through the organism. On the bad news, which offsets the good news, quagga mussels remove essential phytoplanktons necessary for the aquatic food chain. They are a threat to industry and recreation by colonizing pipe screens and waterway structures of water treatment and power plants. Recreational structures are infested on docks, bouys, beaches and breakwalls. Removal is almost impossible, causing an economic strain on local communities.

     Montani semper liberi !      Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                      Crackers         Geeked

 

Anthony V. Santos

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    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Saturday, June 26, 2010 10:41 AM

While I understand the excitment of finding something that no other has done, but sometimes the risk my not be worth it. I suppose if you know what you're doing makes it a bit better, but nature has a way of upsetting the best laid plans. 

Having said that, I'm still happy for them that they found it.

 

 

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    December 2006
  • From: Jerome, Idaho, U.S.A.
Posted by crackers on Saturday, June 26, 2010 1:13 AM

  This is a photo of the L.R. DOTY taken as the vessel was passing the Soo Locks in 1896.

  For those of you who are scuba divers, one of the divers wrote how the dive was made to reach the wreck at 320 feet. It took 5 minutes to reach the vessel, which included a 1 minute stop at 20 feet to check on equipment. At the 50 foot level the dive team encounted swift currents. The equipment used was closed circut mixed gas rebreathers. Emergency cylinders were placed on the line on the way down, as any failures at the lowering depths would have serious consequences. Upon reaching the wreck, 30 minutes was spent on exploration and taking videos and photographs. Decompression time on the way to the surface, was 95 minutes to prevent the bends. The tank breathing mixture was Trimix, that consisted 9% oxygen, 75% helium and 16% nitrogen.  The water was so cold, that electric heaters were required inside the drysuits to avoid hypothermia.

         The diving pair plan to return to the L.R. DOTY later this summer for more exploration and photos and to see if human remains could be observed.

       Montani semper liberi !       Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                                    Crackers             Geeked

                     

Anthony V. Santos

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    December 2005
  • From: Seattle, Colorado
Posted by onyxman on Friday, June 25, 2010 11:43 AM

The boiler room?   If I were on a foundering ship, the boiler room wouldn't be my first choice!

I took my cat on a trip to Alaska once.   She did not like it.   I've been on other ships that had ship's cats, but I think you have to get them aboard as kittens.   Adult cats have too much sense to go to sea.

Fred

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  • From: Neenah, WI
Posted by HawkeyeHobbies on Friday, June 25, 2010 10:43 AM

Think how well the fish fed on that cargo!

Gerald "Hawkeye" Voigt

http://hawkeyes-squawkbox.com/

 

 

"Its not the workbench that makes the model, it is the modeler at the workbench."

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Posted by TD4438 on Friday, June 25, 2010 9:21 AM

There are all kinds of things at the bottom of the Great Lakes.The last big find a few years ago was a WWI U-Boat.

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  • From: Lacombe, LA.
New Ship Wreck found in Lake Michigan - L.R. DOTY
Posted by Big Jake on Friday, June 25, 2010 9:05 AM

A great wooden steamship that sank more than a century ago in a violent Lake Michigan storm has been found off the Milwaukee-area shoreline, and divers say the intact vessel appears to have been perfectly preserved by the cold fresh waters.

Finding the 300-foot-long L.R. Doty was important because it was the largest wooden ship that remained unaccounted for, said Brendon Baillod, the president of the Wisconsin Underwater Archaeology Association.

"It's the biggest one I've been involved with," said Baillod, who has taken part in about a dozen such finds. "It was really exhilarating."

The Doty was carrying a cargo of corn from South Chicago to Ontario, Canada in October 1898 when it sailed into a terrible storm, Baillod said. Along with snow and sleet, there were heavy winds that whipped up waves of up to 30 feet.

The Doty should have been able to handle the weather. The ship was only five years old, and the 300-foot wooden behemoth's hull was reinforced with steel arches.

But it was towing a small schooner, the Olive Jeanette, which began to founder in the storm after the tow line apparently snapped, Baillod said. The Doty probably sank when it came to the schooner's aid. All 17 of its crew members died, along with the ship's cats, Dewey and Watson.

As a maritime historian Baillod spent more than 20 years researching the shipwreck. He knew that swaths of debris had washed up afterward in Kenosha, about 40 miles south of Milwaukee. But he found news accounts that it had last been seen closer to Milwaukee, near Oak Creek.

Meanwhile, a Milwaukee fisherman in 1991 reported snagging his nets on an obstruction about 300 feet under water. The observation was largely forgotten for decades until diving technology improved enough to enable exploration at that depth.

A number of explorers did some preliminary scouting on the lake's surface in recent months, using deep-sea technology to find a massive submerged object. Divers waited until last week to descend, when the weather was just right.

As soon as they got to the lake floor they knew they had found the Doty.

"It felt so good to solve this," said Jitka Hanakova, 33, a diver and captain of the charter boat that led the exploration. "This ship has been missing for so many years and it's one of the biggest out there."

Divers found the ship upright and intact, settled into the clay at the lake's bottom. Even the ship's cargo of corn was still in its hold.

The Doty is so well-preserved because it's in a cold, freshwater lake. It's also far enough below the surface that storms don't affect it.

Those same factors mean the crew's corpses are likely intact as well, Baillod said. Their bodies are probably still in the boiler room, where the sailors must have huddled as the ship went down, he added.

While details of the sinking remain unclear, Baillod said the most likely explanation is that rudder chain snapped while the Doty was turning around to aid the Olive Jeanette. That would have left the 20-foot-tall ship at the mercy of 30-foot waves that would have dumped tons of water on the fragile wooden hatches.

"When the rudder broke (the crew) must have known they were going to die," Baillod said. "They probably had a good hour to contemplate their fate until the cargo holds collapsed."

There are no plans to raise the Doty, which is now the property of the state of Wisconsin. The ship will remain preserved indefinitely where it is, rather than exposing it to air that would cause it to rot away within a few years, Baillod said.

Few divers are expected to disturb it. It's in such deep water that only a small group of highly experienced divers can access it, Hanakova said.

Thousands of ships remain submerged in the Great Lakes, some vessels scuttled and others the victims of shipwrecks. Lake Michigan has about 500 dive-worthy ships still to be found, Baillod estimated.

He said his next target is the largest known missing ship: the car ferry Pere Marquette 18. He said it went down in 1910, about 20 miles from the southeastern Wisconsin shore.

The new technology that made finding the Doty possible can also help locate the Pere Marquette, he said.

"What's nice about finding these ships is, it contributes to our cultural history," he said. "Many people are disconnected from history so it's nice to reconnect to our past — to maybe look out today and think of the wooden steamships that were out there 100 years ago.

 

http://www.charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id=%3CD9GHPO780%40news.ap.org%3E&ps=1011&sc_cid=homepage_newsDCC_article1

 

Jake Groby

 

 

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