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PE Planning
Posted by Glue Mark on Friday, July 2, 2010 11:20 AM

Hello All!
I am in the midst of building the Trumpeter 1/200 Sovremenny, and I plan on using the kit PE railings, which will be my first PE experience. Most of the basic superstructures are built with some small detail parts installed, and nothing done yet on the hull or decking. The hull is two feet, seven inches long, and the kit supplies about 12 feet of railings.

Should I start installing railing onto some of the superstructures and decks now, while they can be more easily accessed and handled, or wait until they are on the decks and the decks on the hull for a better idea of how it will all look together?  

What is the best method of attaching the railings? Can I just smooth the bottom and superglue it on a painted surface without scraping off  some of the paint? Should I leave some of the post extensions on the bottom and drill or punch some holes into the decks? (too late to punch holes in the superstructures now, I suppose)

Any advice would be appreciated!

Rusty

 

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Posted by the Baron on Friday, July 2, 2010 11:56 AM

Good question, Rusty!  I'm in the same boat (no pun intended-oh, what the heck, I'll take the pun), using PE for the first time, in a conversion of HobbyBoss' 1/700 Arizona to her elder sister Pennsylvania, circa 1935.  I'm leaning right now towards leaving off most of the PE until after the basic painting is done at least, except for areas with might be hard to reach, and perhaps until the very end, after the deck details are installed.  I'm thinking that I want to build from the waterline up, and from the centerline out, generally speaking, because that should help keep me from knocking things off.

I will follow this thread, to see what the more experienced shipwrights have to say.

Regards,

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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Posted by bondoman on Friday, July 2, 2010 12:28 PM

It depends on your sequence for painting. I leave off PE until last, and I paint it before I put it down.

I glue it on with CA glue, and at the end hit the whole ship with Dulkote spray to kill the glue shine. If you do that though, be sure to mask the glazing or do the glazing very last if possible.

Also, don't start at corners. Include corners in the middle of your pieces, at a stanchion. That helps the stuff stand up while the glue dries. Also resist the temptation to put down long runs. If you look carefully, you'll see that on the real thing there's usually gaps at cleats, bollards, gangways etc.

I went through two sets of PE on this ship.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Saturday, July 3, 2010 9:02 AM

Each model is unique as far as when to attach stuff, and since I have not done that model yet I'll refrain from commenting.  However, I'll give a recommendation on how.

I used to use CA.  However, aguy giving a demonstration of attaching PE to ships at a club meeting used thinned white glue (thinned about 50:50. I tried it and it worked great.  That is what I now use.  I sometimes put in the tiniest drop of dishwasher detergent to the mix to aid "wetting" of the model surface.

 

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Posted by Mike F6F on Saturday, July 3, 2010 9:24 AM

All good points here.

I'll just add that I usually touch up around the railings with a small brush using clear flat as opposed to spraying a dull coat.  I haven't built in 1/350th, only 1/700-1/720, so I'm not sure a spray wouldn't send a small piece or two across the room.

Also, if you haven't before, consider a case for the model.  I believe they are critical for ships with PE.

Mike

 

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  • From: NJ
Posted by JMart on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 7:54 AM

You can also build as sub-assemblies, the key is to dry fit extensively to avoid too many touch ups.

I use a Pe bender tool (etchmate family); some do not feel the need for such a tool, but in my newbie hands I find such a tool indispensable.

For glue, I use Gator's glue, since it is water-based and you can simply brush off the excess. some people then touch up key points with CA/accelerator once the railings are in place. you can find gator's glue here:

http://www.gatorsmask.com/

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted by the Baron on Wednesday, July 7, 2010 11:48 AM

Thanks, Don and JMart, for your suggestions on the glue.  I was thinking of slow-flow CA, or a two-part epoxy, but a water-based glue would be a little easier to work with.

More to think about....

Regards,

Brad

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen.

 

 

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