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color of decks on wwii a/c carriers

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color of decks on wwii a/c carriers
Posted by DURR on Monday, July 19, 2010 9:45 AM

according to ship camo .com  measure 21 (all blue system) the whole ship is blue with deckblue 20b  for the decks BUT not for the a/c carrrier it specifies not to color the deck in the blue system  but does not say what color it should be   same withe measure 22 the gray system

 i got the hancock and the essex  in 1/700th scale by has. i want to make one in 21 and one in 22

 

 

also i will ask is there a site like ship camo .com for japanese ships i have only found 1 of the 16 destroyers i have that calls for a2 tone gray camo paint job  the mutsuki  it looks great  instead of the boring monotone gray they all seen to use    thank    joe

 

on a diff note i am doing two uss wards one for me one for one of my bosses  he is a cousin. of james haron ward the namesake of the ship going back to the civil war

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Posted by CapnMac82 on Monday, July 19, 2010 2:20 PM

Well, for IJN ships, you do have the color opportunity presented by the fact that IJN used linoleum on the decks.  The color for that material is described as "red"--a roan leather to brick color being the most commonly used. 

And only your research will really tell what decks were what material.

For US carrier flight decks, there are several references out there, and as the case, they can be contradictory.  I want to remember that there's reference to a stain, rather than a paint, for carrier flight decks.  It would be a blue stain, and probably ought to be about as dark as Deck Blue.  But, you also have to remember that flight decks are completely exposed to the weather, and have a large volume of wheeled traffic across them.

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Posted by EBergerud on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 4:07 PM

I'd check http://www.j-aircraft.com/ . Despite the name they have some material concerning ships plus links to Combined Fleet and other sites. A lot of stuff appears under construction so there might be some digging involved.

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Posted by Riceballtrp on Tuesday, July 20, 2010 8:53 PM

Model Masters Acrylic actually had (has) a "Flight Deck Blue" and a "Weathered Flight Deck Blue" which I use almost exclusively. I weather them accordingly, but the match looks to be very good and I like the effect. The Testors website should have the colors you need.

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Posted by Tracy White on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:56 AM

Carrier decks were stained whereas other ships' decks painted; the decks took such a pounding that a stain that penetrated the wood was more desired.

For Essex class carriers you want Flight Deck Stain 21, which was matched to the 20-B Deck Blue Paint. I'd give it some brownish tones in the weathering to set it a part a bit so the model isn't as monochromatic.

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Posted by John @ WEM on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 1:12 PM

Actually, the Flight Deck Stain 21 that Tracy refers to--the one that matched to 20-B Deck Blue--was the 1945 revised version of Flight Deck Stain 21. The original Flight Deck Stain 21, in use in 1943 - 44, was lighter so you'll want to determine what period you're depicting with your model.

Only a very few IJN destroyers were painted in patterned camouflage, so you'll need to do a bit of research to determine which those were.

For help in finding accurate paints, feel free to contact me.

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Posted by Shipwreck on Wednesday, July 21, 2010 5:47 PM

John @ WEM

Actually, the Flight Deck Stain 21 that Tracy refers to--the one that matched to 20-B Deck Blue--was the 1945 revised version of Flight Deck Stain 21. The original Flight Deck Stain 21, in use in 1943 - 44, was lighter so you'll want to determine what period you're depicting with your model.

What was in use prior to 1943? I am working on a USS Hornet, April 1942, Doolittle kit!.

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Posted by Echo210 on Thursday, July 22, 2010 5:17 AM

I beleive it was Norfolk 250-N Flight deck stain. HTH, Jon

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Posted by John @ WEM on Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:56 AM

Jon is correct--Norfolk 250-N throughout 1942. And for you pre-war carrier fans, it was Mahogany Flight Deck Stain with Chrome Yellow markings.

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Posted by DURR on Sunday, August 8, 2010 9:54 PM

this is going to sound nuts but should i paint the deck tan first  then thin out the deck stain 21 a bit to give it a stain over wood look instead of a paint on plastic look  to give it the wood natural color undertones

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Posted by the Baron on Monday, August 9, 2010 11:50 AM

DURR

this is going to sound nuts but should i paint the deck tan first  then thin out the deck stain 21 a bit to give it a stain over wood look instead of a paint on plastic look  to give it the wood natural color undertones

That's not nuts, I do the same thing.  I lay down a lighter tan color, then the deck blue.  Then I weather the heck out of it, including using some fine grit sandpaper (starting at 400 or better) or a piece of emery cloth, to wear the blue color down to the tan.

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