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Posted by Persephones_Dream on Monday, August 9, 2010 10:15 PM

Ah! Thanks guys, for the info! I figured someone here would know what I was pondering! :)

-Ro

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Posted by mfsob on Monday, August 9, 2010 12:20 PM

The things you can learn on this forum ...Toast

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, August 9, 2010 11:27 AM

Metal sheathing for wood hulls gave way to "bottom paint" sometime in the late nineteenth century.  I don't know an exact date.

I'm aware of two protective paints that were in common use on wood hulls in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries (and, I suppose, still are).  One is the green that Mr. Stauffer referred to.  The other looked like metallic copper in the can, and when initially applied, but a it dried it turned dark red on the outer surface.  (I guess that was the oxidation process working on the copper particles that were mixed in with the paint.)  I have the impression that most, or many, of the great New England and Canadian fishing schooners were painted that way.

At the museum where I used to work I had the job of restoring an old model of an American lightship that had been built (the model, that is) for the great Centennial Exhibition at Philadelphia in 1876.  The model was built by a local boatbuilder, who quite obviously had painted its bottom with "full-size" bottom paint.  It was dark red - but pretty beat up.  I bought a can of copper-based bottom paint from a marine paint dealer.  Sure enough, it looked like bright metallic paint when it was fresh, but when it dried it matched the 1876 red paint perfectly.

So I guess I can say with confidence that dark red (when dry) bottom paint existed in 1876.  How much earlier it could be bought, or how common its use was, I have no idea.

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Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, August 9, 2010 8:55 AM

Wooden hulls were usually NOT painted red below waterline.  At first they were coated with "stuff" (that is what many called it), a mixture of tallow and lime.  Gradually other ingredients, like sulfur were added.  Then, they experimented with thin metal plate overlays, of which copper ones were the most successful. Only major ships received copper cladding- larger warships, clippers, etc.

In late Nineteenth Century someone came up with a protective paint using, I believe, some copper compound, that was a green color, and many wooden ships today have the green paint.

When iron and then steel hulls came along they searched for good protective coating.  Red oxide was used a lot for freshwater hulls.  For ocean going ships it is a more complex mixture, and Testors Modelmaster British Crimson is one color that works well.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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Hull paint question
Posted by Persephones_Dream on Sunday, August 8, 2010 2:44 PM

All,

Here's a question for you experts on ships. When, exactly, did the red hull paint come into use? I believe it was red oxide/red lead, no? In any case, I am wondering.... I am currently building a model of the USS Monitor (Flagship Models resin kit) and am curious about the painting detail. If this was the first ironclad ship, did the use of red hull paint start with this [ship]? Were wooden hulled ships painted red? I always thought wood hulls used pine tar? What about copper hulled ships? Was it left natural copper or was the copper coated with red oxide type paint?

Just curious.

Thanks!

-Ro

p.s. you can probably tell I mostly build things with wings ;)

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