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HMS Victory GF Campbell Plans
Posted by Roger D on Thursday, August 12, 2010 3:34 AM

Dear All,

I'm hoping you HMS Victory fans can help me with a question.

My father has recently given me a complete set of what looks like early day photostat copies of the original, signed, GF Campbell scaled plans for HMS Victory (12-15 : I haven't counted exactly). They were given to him about 20 years ago and have been in tubes stored away. They were produced by 'The MAP Plans Service, Hemel Hempstead, Herts, UK' and are about 1m x 1.5m in size.

He was wondering whether or not (i) they are of any value and (ii) if they are, would a museum etc like to have them. He wants to dontate them if wanted.

Could you guys point me in the direction of someone we could contact please?

Any help appreciated. I'll take some photos and post in the next week or so.

Regards, Roger

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  • From: Heart of the Ozarks, Mansfield, MO (AKA, the 3rd world)
Posted by Rich on Thursday, August 12, 2010 9:11 AM

Roger, seems to me that one value would be if they are clear enough to loft to scale, then a scratch builder would love to have them.

I suggest that you write a detailed description with photo(s) and list them for auction on eBay in the hobbies section. You'll get action, guaranteed.

Rich

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Posted by ddp59 on Thursday, August 12, 2010 12:30 PM

what country are you in?

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Posted by warshipguy on Friday, August 13, 2010 11:56 AM

I would love to see some pictures of those plans. Can you post any?

Bill Morrison

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Posted by Roger D on Sunday, August 22, 2010 11:19 AM

Hi All,

Thanks for your responses regarding the plans I've discovered. I have taken some rather poor part-photos and you can take a look here http://s946.photobucket.com/albums/ad304/RogerDurack/HMS%20Victory/. See what you think. I'm interested in your thoughts.

Regards, Roger

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, August 23, 2010 7:56 AM

The Campbell plans of the Victory are the ones that are included with C.N. Longridge's book, The Anatomy of Nelson's Ships.  (In my copy - which I bought about 35 years ago - they were, if I remember right, folded up in a pocket inside the back cover.  I'm not sure whether more recent printings are done the same way - and if I bought a used copy of the book over the web I'd be worried that the plans might be missing.)

They're beautiful pieces of draftsmanship.  There's not a lot of written information on them (as there is on Mr. Campbell's Cutty Sark plans); they were intended to be used in conjunction with the book text.  They were, however, sold separately for a while.  (I bought a set from Model Shipways long before I bought the book.)  I have no idea what a set would sell for nowadays.

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Posted by bondoman on Monday, August 23, 2010 9:19 AM

I own a copy of the thirteenth edition. Kind of remarkable, that. Given the choice of the book, or a complete collection of Aubrey/ Maturin for that proverbial desert isle, well, travel light I would advise.

The Campbell plans are bound into the book at locations in the text that sort of make sense. Neatly folded, with a corner turned back. I suppose the positive to that approach is that they are hard to lose, but also harder to copy. And I haven't discerned the scale, though it is thoughtfully a "graphic" one, easily determined and enlarged/ reduced.

I bought the book in excellent condition for about $ 20.00, used.

That said, three of the four photos you show are not of Campbell plans, at least not from the book. Only the longitudinal section is a drawing from the book, and even that differs a little in format- the book drawing having an adze rendered to the left of the block of specifications. Maybe I can't see it in your picture.

The other three are rendered in a different style, by a hand that appears different, and the lettering style is quite different. My implied caveats are only because I cannot see the whole drawing, and next I'll hear "No Bill, you are wrong, there's a signature "GFC" in the corner", but I would guess these drawings are from another source. The fact that they are listed as sourced from the book makes me think so too. Maybe you have something there more valuable than a book that's been through thirteen printings by 1995?

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Posted by jtilley on Monday, August 23, 2010 10:25 AM

Now that I think about it...the plans in my copy of the Longridge book are "bound in" like Bondoman's.  And they're printed in black ink, whereas the set I bought from Model Shipways (in the distant, pre-Model Expo days) are blueprints.

I had this one mixed up with Longridge's book on the Cutty Sark, which has a set of plans by Harold Underhill folded up in a pocket inside the back cover.  Sorry about that.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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