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Ancient galley rams discovered
Posted by crackers on Sunday, October 24, 2010 12:52 AM

         The discovery of a warship ram in the Mediterrean confirms the site as a major battle in 241 BC,  in which Rome defeated its rival Carthage. The two powers were fighting for dominance of the Mediterrean Sea in a series of conflicts known as the Punic Wars.

          Archaeologists  think the newly discovered remnants of a war galley date from the final battle of the First Punic War, which allowed Rome to expand her dominance into the Western Mediterrean Sea.

          The ram was found near the island of Levanzo west of the island of Sicily. The ram is all that remains of the galley, the rest, made of wood, has long since disintegrated. 

          This ram is the third discovery. In 2008, in the same gereral area, another beat up ram, with bits of wood still attached, enabled scientists to carbon date the object to the Punic Wars era.

           Three years earlier, fishermen netted a ram which bore Latin insctiptions and covered with rosette designs. This certainly identified this ram as Roman in origin. By contrast, the two other rams were plain with no decorations and roughly cast. This indicated that the rams were hastely made, which fits with the historical accounts of the Carthaginean rush to gather a galley fleet in haste to meet the oncomming Roman agression.

                                                                      

      In November 1980,in the Eastern Mediterrean shallows, near the historic town of Athlit, Israel, a bronze ram was recovered from the sea, with timber fragments attached to the metal. This was the first ancient ram ever discovered providing the evidence of an offensive weapon known only through literary references.

 Coin of the Egyptian Pharaoh, Ptolemy V, Epihanes. Reverse, the imperial Ptolemic eagle.

    The Athlit ram, now on display at the Israeli National Maritime Museum at Haifa, Israel is quite certain to have been cast in Egypt during the reign of Egyptian Pharaoh, Ptolemy V, Epihanes, or his successor, Ptolemy VI, Philometer. An eagle image cast onto the weapon identified the origine of the ram. Both of these rulers used the eagle symbol as a logo of their rule.

     At the end of the third century BC, the Eastern Mediterrean was in a constant state of war over territorial disputes between the descendants of the two generals of Alexander the Great, the Ptolemic rulers of Egypt and the Seleucids dynasty of Syria . When Ptolemy V, Ephihanes became pharaoh at the tender age of six, with his mother, Arsinoe, as co-regent, conspirators assinated Arsinoe, throwing Egypt into political turmoil. Taking advantage of the upheaval, the Seleucide ruler of Syria, Antiochus III, annexed Egyptian territory including Judea, modern Israel, defeating the Ptolemic Egyptian army at Panium. A truce was declaired before Ptolemy V died in 181 BC. War resumed in 175 BC when Ptolemy V's successor, Ptolemy VI, Philometor had to flee to Rome, when Syrian monarch, Antiochus IV, invaded Egypt, then was driven out when Ptolemy VI returned with a mercenary army. Somewhere in these events, the Athlit ram became a casualty of war. 

       The athlit ram was probably made in a single casting process by the lost wax method, in which a wax model is made, then encased in a clay mold. Molten bronze is then poured through channels into the clay mold, and at the same time, melting the wax, which pours out of another channel. When the bronze is cooled, the clay mold is broken  to reveal a replica of the wax model which included the eagle logo of Ptolemic rule. It is not known if the ram was attached to a bireme, a galley propelled by two banks of oars, or a trireme, a vessel propelled by three banks of oars.

       What ever kind of oared powered vessel the Athlit ram was attached to, the ram represents the golden  age of ancient galley warfare in the Mediterrean during the classical period. Both the Ptolemys and the Seleucids employed technological advanced weapon platforms on their galleys, including ballistas that rotated on a ballbearing mechanisms and hurled showers of projectiles and clay pots of incendiary materials. The battle of Actium, where the forces of Octavian defeated Mark Anthony, was the last of mass galley warefare, not to be repeated more than 1500 years later at Lepanto, scene of a European naval victory over the Turks on the Eastern Mediterrean.

      Montani semper liberi !         Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                       Crackers                       Geeked

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Posted by subfixer on Sunday, October 24, 2010 3:31 AM

Thanks for posting this, Crackers.

Lee

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Posted by warshipguy on Sunday, October 24, 2010 7:27 AM

With all of our collective interest in 20th century naval warfare and ships (100 years), and/or the era of sailing ships (400+ years), the millenia-long era of galley warfare receives very little attention.  Yet, naval warfare and maritime power was as important to the course of history then as it has ever been. In Cracker's excellent synopsis, he overlooked the importance of the Phoenicians' explorations of northern Europe and western Africa, the Phoenician colonization in the western Mediterranean, the Phoenician, Athenian, and Venetian mercantile networks throughout the Mediterranean, and the Athenian victory over the Persians at Salamis.   Thanks, Crackers; your post is a most welcome addition!

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Posted by sumter III on Thursday, October 28, 2010 12:04 PM

I want to thank the poster for this information.  The ram is at the exact time I wanted to model my Zvezda Trireme.   I had modified a Heller Bireme kit ram to look like the Athlit ram.  The Zvezda Trireme will need a complete new ram.  The so called Hepteres stem seems not to be what was used for the corvus boarding bridge ships of that period based on the evidence found on site. 

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Posted by Cbax1234 on Thursday, October 28, 2010 4:45 PM

I've got the Heller Bireme Imperator kit.  Anyone know how accurate it really is?  It's not all that important to me regardless.  I'm mostly just curious.  As far as I'm concerned, it looks like a bireme, and that's good enough for me.

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Posted by sumter III on Thursday, October 28, 2010 7:40 PM

I built the same kit, it's not very good on details.  The hull is to short, but i went with what I had.  My sails were so bad I replaced them with the Trireme kit.

Here is a link to my build, hope it helps.

http://www.modelshipgallery.com/gallery/misc/other/bireme-75-am/am-index.html

 

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Posted by sumter III on Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:01 PM

By the way, the anchor in the Heller kit is a medieval design.  I rebuilt mine from the kit part based on the one found on this link.

http://ferrelljenkins.wordpress.com/2009/09/22/visiting-malta/roman-anchors-found-in-maltese-waters/

 

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Posted by Publius on Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:37 PM

RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. How do you say that in ancient Roman/Greek? ............RAMMING SPEED!!!!!!!!!!!!! Was it all done by the drummer on board???? I wonder. Thanks, Publus Veneris

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Posted by sumter III on Thursday, October 28, 2010 10:01 PM

VOLO  FESTINO    Beer


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Posted by crackers on Monday, November 1, 2010 1:44 AM

        Ram of OLYMPIAS, a reconstruction of an ancient Athenian trireme.

      The ram was the main weapon of the Greco-Roman antiquity employed in the battles of Salamis to Actium. Naval conflicts in the Mediterranean rairly used sails, except to arrive at the site of the battle. The use of rams required highly trained oarsmen to maneuver with accuracy and speed. The Athenians were known for their disciplined ramming techniques.

       The wide use of rams began at the battle of Salamis against the Persians in 480 BC. Strong evidence that rams evolved from cutwaters that were sheathed in metal. Stylized images found on Greek pottery and jewelery, point to a Greek invention of the naval ram early in the 6th century BC.

     The Athlit ram cast in Ptolemic Egypt, follows closely the Greek design that was used on their triremes.

          Montani semper liberi !  Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                       Crackers                               Geeked

   

 

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Posted by sumter III on Monday, November 1, 2010 8:00 AM

Question: What was the last ram bow warship built?

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Posted by stenscience on Monday, November 1, 2010 2:03 PM

Well, Raytheon makes the RAM for modern warships (Rolling Airframe Missile)...

The Seattle fireboat Duwamish had a ram (1909)

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Posted by sumter III on Monday, November 1, 2010 2:27 PM

Confused

Try again

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Posted by warshipguy on Monday, November 1, 2010 6:24 PM

hmmmm . . . HMS Hood was the first British capital ship with the clipper bow, all predecessors having a ram; the USS Arizona and Pennsylvania were the last American capital ships with the ram bow . . .

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Posted by Jester75 on Monday, November 1, 2010 9:04 PM

Very interesting, thanks for posting! Brings to mind an article I read a while back about a monument dedicated to the battle of Actium where these captured rams were mounted in a wall...

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which would've looked something like this.....

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Posted by sumter III on Monday, November 1, 2010 9:45 PM

BINGO Bill you won with the Pennsylvania have a couple on me buddy.Bow Down Beer Beer

 

 

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Posted by tucchase on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 1:30 AM

I believe he was actually correct with the other half of his answer, the Arizona.  The Pennsylvania was Laid, Launched, and Commissioned before the Arizona by a few months at each stage. 

I presume the Yamato's bow was not a ram bow since it only stuck out as far as the top of the bow did, and not in front of the top like the Pennsylvania and Arizona.

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Posted by crackers on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 2:12 AM

         A ram on a Roman era war galley. Note the observation tower on the stern section of the vessel.

       Montani semper liberi !     Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                                     Crackers                            Geeked

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Posted by subfixer on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 4:39 AM

I think the Yamato's bow was designed to increase speed.

From Global Security :

Yamato, lead ship of a class of two 65,000-ton (over 72,800-tons at full load) battleships, was built at Kure, Japan. She and her sister, Musashi were by far the largest battleships ever built, even exceeding in size and gun caliber (though not in weight of broadside) the U.S. Navy's abortive Montana class. Their nine 460mm (18.1-inch) main battery guns, which fired 1460kg (3200 pound) armor piercing shells, were the largest battleship guns ever to go to sea, and the two ships' scale of armor protection was also unsurpassed. Yamato's vast width posed a challenge: her designers had to come up with a hydrodynamic bow to help the ship cut through the water. They tested 50 different wax models and struck upon a bow shape that greatly reduced drag at the front of the ship. The bulbous bow, jutting out 10 feet, creates its own wave that cancels out another wave generated by the main part of the ship. Less hindered by wave resistance, Yamato could reach a top speed of nearly 28 knots (32 mph), extraordinary at the time for a ship of her size.

In the 1990s the US Navy found that refitting a bulbous bow on a DDG-51 Class Destroyer results in tremendous fuel savings from reduced ship resistance. Although the original funding for this project was $3.4 million, savings for 50 ships in the DDG-51 Class are estimated at $200 million. The bulbous bow concept has been well received, and as a result of the great potential for cost savings, bow designs for future ships are being reexamined. The success of the bulbous bow retrofit has resulted in the Navy aggressively pursuing spin-off technologies with the potential for similar fuel savings.

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Posted by sumter III on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 6:19 AM

USS Penn launched 12 June 1916, Arizona launched on 19 Jun 1915, which makes Pennsylvania the last.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/04bbidx.htm

 

Crackers I was not able to open the links you provided.  Could you please reload those or just give us the website. ThanksSuper Angry

 

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Posted by tucchase on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 2:41 PM

sumter III

USS Penn launched 12 June 1916, Arizona launched on 19 Jun 1915, which makes Pennsylvania the last.

http://www.navsource.org/archives/01/04bbidx.htm

It's poosible I might be wrong, and it sure wouldn't be the first, or the last, time that I was wrong, but in this case, I don't belive so. I think you have confused the Launch Date with the Commissioned Date for the Pennsylvania.  Here is what NavSource says.

USS Pennsylvania: Operational and Building Data: Laid down by Newport News, Shipbuilding, Newport News, VA., October 27, 1913. Launched April 6, 1915. Commissioned June 12, 1916.

USS Arizona: Operational and Building Data: Laid down by New York Naval Ship Yard, March 16, 1914. Launched June 19, 1915. Commissioned October 17, 1916.

As you can see, the Arizona lagged behind by a few months at each stage.  Since the Pennsylvania was the lead ship of the class, it was only right and meet that it should have been finished first.

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Posted by sumter III on Tuesday, November 2, 2010 8:34 PM

I think you have confused the Launch Date with the Commissioned

 

No  I was referencing the launch date, it matters little both ships were in the same class and both were the last of their kind.  

Now back on topic here is another link I used when building my Roman ships that some might find useful too.

Happy modeling

http://www.romaeterna.org/galleria/index.html

 

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