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Corel HMS Unicorn
Posted by warshipguy on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 1:10 PM

I think I remember some very adverse comments about the Corel kit of a British frigate named HMS Unicorn. Can anyone enlighten me? I have access to the real ship's log but have no real knowledge of the accuracy of the kit, other than the typical HECEPOB comments.

Thanks!

Bill Morrison

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Posted by Rich on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 2:51 PM

Bill, I haven't built the kit myself, but I know someone who has. If you're just concerned with historical axxuracy I can't help you much. But as far as the quality of the model is concerned, she finishes beautifully. And for less than $300 (maybe about $275 at Cornwall) I think she's a real bargain. As static models go, she's a winner.

Rich

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Posted by Billyboy on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 5:02 PM

If it's supposed to represent a real ship I haven't been able to work out with certainty what! The Corel sales patter is certainly complete rubbish!

They state it was designed by Chapman in 1700s (nice and vague), some boxes sell it as 1790!

There IS a Frigate called Unicorn in Chapman's Architectura Navalis Mercatoria, plate LV. The Corel kit has a passing resemblence, but not much more. Chapmans hull lines will match the kit, one can hope?

Working out just what vessel Chapman was depicting in his book is an interesting task in itself. Given the position of the plate in the book (amongst those purporting to be examples of 'real' vessels rather than models) and therefore taking him at his word, the most logical HMS Unicorn around at that date, would be the Lyme-Class 6th rate of 1748. She was a notable design, and the overall dimensions are certainly rather similar.

This all chimes with Chapman's description of  the drawings as 'a fast ship',  because the lines of this Unicorn were ostensibly taken from the French privateer Tygre. It is the opinion of my favourite maritime historian, Robert Gardiner, that the Admiralty could not countenance weak French scantlings in a British design and the final Unicorn was not a carbon copy of the Tygre. Alas, the draught for Tygre has not survived so we can't say for certain. IF the Chapman plan is for Unicorn, she certainly looks quite British in her lines- there is none of the extreme tumbleholme of French ships, but she IS rather fine overall.

I'd be prepared to accept Chapman at his word, and as an un-informed layman, I'd say it seems plausible that this is a draught that Chapman had 'aquired' when studying in and later visiting Britain in the 1750s? Further circumstantial dating evidence includes the presence of a beakhead bulkhead, which would not be state-of-the-art design for the date of Chapmans book (written between 1765-8)

When checking some dates, I stumbled across this nice bit of research regarding Slade's involvement of the using of Tygre's lines to build the Unicorn. I found it quite interesting. http://www.deeandpete.co.uk/SLADE%20PAGE.htm

As for the kit:

There's a build log here, which doesnt seem to think it is a bad kit. I'm sure no one would disagree that it looks like a 'display piece' rather than serious scale model, and the upper works and stern detail are truly awful in my opinion. But, with a bit of judicious scratchbuilding, it could represent a British 6th rate of the 1750s.

http://modelshipworld.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11322&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=0&sid=91cad9f0c1ca825067ce938fa849bfcd

Now, in terms of doing justice to the model, the book you need to look at is 'The First Frigates: Nine-Pounder and Twelve Pounder Armed Frigates, 1748-1815.' by Robert Gardiner. Unfortunately it's been out of print for years and commands huge prices. The inter-library loan copy I consulted years ago had been to almost every county in the UK over the ten years the book had been out of print! I am sure Unicorn is discussed in detail in this work, given its status as a prototype of the later C18th frigate.

If you can't find this book, Gardiner also wrote an excellent article on early frigates in 'Warship' Volume III. This can be found in full facsimilie on google books. Interesting stuff.

good luck with whatever you decide to do!

Will

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Posted by jtilley on Tuesday, November 9, 2010 9:52 PM

warshipguy

I think I remember some very adverse comments about the Corel kit of a British frigate named HMS Unicorn. Can anyone enlighten me? I have access to the real ship's log but have no real knowledge of the accuracy of the kit, other than the typical HECEPOB comments.

Thanks!

Bill Morrison

Well, the earlier very adverse comments may well have been the ones I wrote, way back in 2004.  I have no reason to change them; here they are:

"Regarding the Corel Unicorn - I'm afraid this isn't going to be pleasant....

"I'm going to try to keep my personal opinions out of this and stick to facts - and to what I believe are widespread opinions among experienced ship modelers. I feel obliged to emphasize that I've never built, or even closely examined, a Corel kit. I'm sure some of the company's products are better than others, and I have no idea where the Unicorn stacks up in comparison. I'm basing my comments on the ad for the kit at the Model Expo website (which includes a color photo and a written description) and two books that I happen to have at hand: F.H. Chapman's Architectura Navalis Mercatoria (which contains plans of the Unicorn) and The Line of Battle: The Sailing Warship, 1650-1840, a volume in the series Conway's History of the Ship. I think these sources are enough to make the basic points.

"It's hard to tell, of course, how much of what appears in the ModelExpo ad can be attributed to the manufacturer, the builder of the model, and/or the dealer. But the following things jump out.

"1. The ad's assertion that the Unicorn was "designed in 1700 by F.H. Chapman, Britain's foremost naval architect," is ridiculous. Chapman was born in 1721, and the Unicorn was launched in 1747. Chapman did spend some of his younger years in England as a ship's carpenter, but he was a Swede, and there's no evidence that he ever designed a ship for the British Navy. In 1747 he was running a merchant shipyard in Stockholm. His book contains beautiful drawings of lots of vessels, some of them his own designs but many of them not. There's a good, though not detailed, drawing of the Unicorn among them. Chapman describes her as "an English naval frigate...a fast vessel." He had nothing to do with the design or construction of her.

"2. On the basis of the photo in the ModelExpo ad, the overall shape of the hull seems to be about right but the model differs from the Chapman drawing (which I think we can trust) in several significant ways. There seems to be no camber (side-to-side vertical curvature) in the decks or the beakhead bulkhead. (A ship's deck is scarcely ever flat. The manufacturers often make decks flat because they insist on making them out of plywood, which is difficult to force into the accurate compound curve.) The figurehead seems to be out of scale with the rest of the model, and the headrails just aft of it are wildly distorted. The quarter galleries don't look right, and the gunports on the quarterdeck don't seem to be of the configuration shown in the drawing. (In the drawing, with the exeption of the aftermost one on each side, they're shaped like broken circles with the tops chopped off. The slope of the quarterdeck railing doesn't match the sheer of the quarterdeck, so the foremost guns project above the railing.)

"It's tough to see the details of the deck in the picture, and there's no deck plan in the Chapman book, but it looks to my eye like the quarterdeck and forecastle deck on the model are connected by wide, permanent gangways. That's highly unlikely for a ship launched in 1747 (and just about inconceivable for one designed in 1700). Early frigates had narrow, temporary gangways - if any.

"I don't have access to the model's plans, so I can't say for sure whether the individual who built the one in the ad followed them, but somebody involved in the process doesn't understand rigging. The topsail and topgallant yards are in the raised positions, where they would not be unless the sails were set. And, to top everything off (literally), the flags are inaccurate. Prior to 1801 the British ensign didn't have the diagonal red stripes in the field.

"It looks to me like it might be possible to build an accurate model from this kit, but I question whether doing so would be any easier than scratchbuilding.

"I want to emphasize that my low opinions of Continental European sailing ship kits are not unusual; they're shared by most people who've been at the game for a while. The inaccuracy of these kits, along with mediocre materials and astronomical prices, has been responsible, I suspect, for driving far more people out of the hobby than they've brought into it...The focus of this site is scale modeling and these kits, unless they're modified almost beyond recognition, don't produce scale models. Surely a purchaser shouldn't have to own a library of books and plans in order to correct the basic inadequacies of a kit that costs several hundred dollars. An analogy: most of those Continental European kits bear considerably less resemblance to their prototypes than the 1950s Aurora plastic kits bear to real airplanes. Sure an Aurora P-38 kit can be made into an accurate scale model - by replacing or heavily modifying virtually every piece of it. But is that a reasonable way to spend one's time?

"For a lengthy and highly knowedgable discussion of this subject in general, I recommend the website of the Nautical Research Guild, <www.Naut-Res-Guild.org>. Among the stuff available on that site (under 'Reference Material,' then 'Models That Should or Should Not Be Built"\') is an article called 'Piracy On the High "C's": Those (Much Too) Expensive Imported Ship Model Kits,' by Charles MacDonald. If my comments seem nasty, wait till you read his.

"I'm sorry to be so negative in a forum that's been complimented for its helpfulness and cordiality, but this is a sore subject among ship modelers. I continue to recommend the products of two American firms, Model Shipways and Bluejacket, which, though they vary somewhat in quality, are based on good research and contain sound materials."

The only point I'd add now, on the basis of what I've learned since 2004, is that Corel seems to have one of the worst reputations of all the HECEPOB (that's Hideously Expensive Continental European Plank On Bulkhead) companies when it comes to accuracy.  I'd also, however, emphasize again that, as is the case with any kit manufacturer, the quality of Corel kits undoubtedly varies.  It also needs to be remembered that, to an even greater extent than in the plastic kit world, the quality of the finished model depends heavily on the modeler.  A couple of members of our model club here in N.C. have built some mighty impressive models based on Corel kits.  Personally, though, I wouldn't even consider spending my hard-earned money on anything that company sells.

Youth, talent, hard work, and enthusiasm are no match for old age and treachery.

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 6:48 AM

Gentlemen,

Thank you for your observations and comments!  Will, I saw that review that you reference; that is what prompted my question.  I vaguely remembered John's 2004 observations so I wanted some fresh insight.

I think that I will keep saving for the Caldercraft HMS Diana.

Bill

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Posted by Billyboy on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 9:37 AM

Caldecraft Diana has an excellent reputation.

If you decide to go for this undertaking in the future, PM me because I was lucky enough to take a lot of photos of the Admiralty model of this ship out of her case. Might be of some use to you down the line.

Will

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Posted by warshipguy on Wednesday, November 10, 2010 11:04 AM

Will,

I appreciate it!  I have wanted both the Diana and the Agamemnon for a long time!  I have a window of opportunity following a nice disability settlement with Worker's Comp.  I wouldn't normally have been able to afford them without saving.

Bill

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Posted by Billyboy on Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:15 AM

Warshipguy,

PM sent

 

Will

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