Airfix wasa and ratlines.

Gentlemen,

My apologies.  I was speaking in general terms, not specifically about Wasa.

Bill

warshipguy

CoreTech,

The galleries were indeed functional parts of the ship.  While it is true that they served as points of decoration, they were also balconies to the officer's quarters, platforms for small arms fire, and they often served as the officer's heads.

Hope it helps!

Bill Morrison

they seem like they would have been pretty small for officers balconies, or any thing really larger than a crawl space.

CoreTech,

The galleries were indeed functional parts of the ship.  While it is true that they served as points of decoration, they were also balconies to the officer's quarters, platforms for small arms fire, and they often served as the officer's heads.

Hope it helps!

Bill Morrison

I have read the previous threads with interest and a number of books have been suggested with regard to researcing to be able to rig the Vasa.

There is an excellent, comprehensive  set of line drawings of the Vasa by Eva Marie Stolt that is available directly from the Vasa Museum's own shop. I bought a set last year and would recommend these as being the best drawings available of the ship showing all the details that a model maker could wish for at a reasonable cost.

I believe that the musuem is in the process of publishing a set of comprehensive technical books about the ship that will be released one at a time as published. 

so...the last few days i've been painting alot,allthough not only on wasa.
i have worked a little bit on victory too.
i have finished the rigging on the main mast its just the ratlines left,wich is a pretty big job atleast i think.
but the thing i want to talk about now is the painting.
i have taken a rather...unique approach to wasa by painting it napoeleonic,i have 2 pics for you,im eager to know what you think.

dont mind my desk,i know its a mess

a lot of nice pictures...i haven't seen so much of wasa as i have now.
thank you reklein!
but one thing that took me by surprise is that the gallerys are small...compartments...not really user friendly.were they just there for the sake of decoration?
because it seems like it. 

Coretech,try this site. wasadream.com   Bill in Lewiston

i hope everyone had a nice christmas eve!
atleast i had,and i actually got hms victory
im painting the hull on that one for the moment,but arent going to deep into it,since i want wasa to be done.
the main mast is fully rigged and ready for use,except for the ratlines,wich will be todays work,along with the foremast shrouds (i lied a little before hehe)
im waiting for hull colours for wasa,when i get them the hull will be painted,incl. the whales.
after that and glue:ing the gun hatches in place it will just be rigging. 

all the shrouds on the main mast are now in place,what a relief.
im going for the mizzel shrouds now,then the fore.
most of the shrouds are stretched and dont hang loos like before,a feat if i can say it myself. 

but how do i get the darker lines out of the basecoat?
can i take,like i have,tops and rub of some of the lighter colour?
and then highlight here and there with an even lighter colour? 

Core Tech,

Hardly forgotten!  Getting a wood look depends not only on color but shadowing and highlights. One of the best thin gs you can do is to darken the seams in the planks with a wash as I described before. It will work wonders!

Bill

i just discovered that it actually is possible to repaint the hull.
so i ask for your guidance.
im gonna try make that woody look,and i wonder,what wooden colour would you recommend? (humbrol enamel)
you who are familiar with humbrol. 

i have applied a gold basecoat now,and im going to add the details later today.
one thing that i have thought about is wasa's colour.
the ship is named after gustav vasa,and his insignia (or symbol,shield maybe?) is both blue and red,plus white (and gold ofcourse),so,wouldn't it be possible that wasa could have been white?
its a very exciting thought to me.
i could buy a new model just for the sake of colour.
i think it would fit wasa having it white.
its to late for me to make a white wasa,but if i buy i new one i will show you!

   CoreTech:    If you prefer the color blue for your VASA paint trim on your model, then keep that color. If you try to change to a red color it might result in making a mess.

      Recent research at the VASA museum suggests that the original ship might have had a red color trim. At this point, I do not know what to believe. Since you live in Sweden, you might try to write or telephone to the VASA museum director and ask him for his opinion. I think if you have already painted your model blue, then leave it alone. I prefer the color blue on the VASA.

      No, that picture is not my model. I found that picture while seaching the internet. I wish I have the talent to create such a lovely model.  

     Montani semper liberi !      Happy modeling to all and every one of you.

                              Crackers                                    

i am very well aware of the colour discoverybnut as i said,i think i like the blue one more.
im gonna take some better photos,but can you tell me if you think my historical painting fits or should i paint it like the original blue scheme?
crackers:
is that your model?
it is truly magnificent,beautiful colour combinations and extremely detailed.
maybe it would be more "effectfull" if i paint the yardmasts black like on your picture?
im trying to make wasa look as real as possible,rather than historical.
though painting the hull that light is a little to late but i still like the dark colour the original plastic colour has. 

check the lens of your camera on your phone. sometimes they collect pocket lint and dust. this can cause fuzzy pictures as well.

  CoreTech: Your photos are very fuzzy. Try to use a regular digital camera for a better quality photographs on the Forum.

     Recent research on the VASA suggests that red paint was used on the trim. If you prefer the color blue, then use that color. That is your model, so paint the color that pleases you.

      Montani semper liberi !        Happy modeling to all of you.

                                   Crackers          

well its a cellphone camera so it can be a little difficult finding that hehe
it hasn't got that feature,so i hope you can live with the pics,or ill take new ones with moms camera. 

check and see if your camera has a macro setting. it's the little flower button on digital cameras. this will allow you to take up close pictures.

the reason to why it looks sloppy is beacause i havent touched it up yet.
i dont wanna make that effort if it doesnt fit anyways.
lthough i kinda like the colour combination.
you think a compromise would be in place?
having the stern painted in the blue version scheme but the "support" sculptures (the ones beneath each gallery) beeing painted historical.
i need ideas haha 

i have painted historicly now,and are almost done,i like the little sculpture on the side and the bow sculptures beeing so colourfull,but i dont know about the stern.
compare these pictures to the other ones i sent and tell me what you think suits best
as i said,my camera is not good in close up pics so sorry for that

CoreTech

i have been painting wasa for a while nw,and im very torn apart.
im trying to paint the figures historicly,but that demands having a part of the stern red,and i dont know if this fits since im making the blue version?
its too late to paint it red since ive already glued the deadeyes in place.
im far from done so it may get a little better but it doesnt feel right.
you think i should keep painting and see what it looks like?
or should i paint it white and gold again? 

well for years the common belief was that the Wasa was blue. I've been thinking about doing one in the historic blue and gold. it wasn't until recently when it was decidd that the figures had color and the ship was red. stick with the blue. it looks good.

CoreTech

i have been painting wasa for a while nw,and im very torn apart.
im trying to paint the figures historicly,but that demands having a part of the stern red,and i dont know if this fits since im making the blue version?
its too late to paint it red since ive already glued the deadeyes in place.
im far from done so it may get a little better but it doesnt feel right.
you think i should keep painting and see what it looks like?
or should i paint it white and gold again? 

well for years the common belief was that the Wasa was blue. I've been thinking about doing one in the historic blue and gold. it wasn't until recently when it was decidd that the figures had color and the ship was red. stick with the blue. it looks good.

In service, they act as protection against hitting other vessels/ dock walls, but they are really there to strengthen the hull. They are an integral part of the construction process, so you can go in to quite a bit of detail as to what role they play!

If you're interested in learning more, I would strongly recommend finding a copy of Bjorn Landstrom's 'The Royal Warship Vasa' which gives a beautifully illustrated guide to how the Vasa was built using the Dutch system, and compares her to the techniques used by the Danish, Dutch and British (amongst others) It is very easy to follow and it will give you a good knowledge of all the parts of a wooden warship's hull and rigging!

Will

well im painting the wales now,makes the ship look much bettter.
just what the ship needed.
ill put up som photos tomorrow.
but what purpose does the wales have?
hull reinforcement,decoration,or just a part of the hull? 

Core Tech,

Those planks are called "wales".  Many ships have them painted a different color, black or darker brown being very common. And, it does make a ship look better.

Bill

im also thinking about painting some planks (the ones that "pop" out on the hull) black.
what do you think of that?
a reminder:i am not interested in making it historical,just look good to the eye. 

i have been painting wasa for a while nw,and im very torn apart.
im trying to paint the figures historicly,but that demands having a part of the stern red,and i dont know if this fits since im making the blue version?
its too late to paint it red since ive already glued the deadeyes in place.
im far from done so it may get a little better but it doesnt feel right.
you think i should keep painting and see what it looks like?
or should i paint it white and gold again? 

oops,some grammar faults but you get the picture