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Constitution Signal Cannon??

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  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Constitution Signal Cannon??
Posted by Big Jake on Thursday, January 20, 2011 11:05 PM

I'm building a 1/96th. version for a customer.  One thing I've always though was strange was to have a 24/36 pdr. cannon on the fordeck (called signal cannon). I have tried to see if she really had this, can't find much information and I don't remember IF the current config. had the gun or not.  Anybody got some facts?  To me it seems silly to have a carrage gun in that post. wouldn't a carronade serve the purposr just as well?

Thought?

Thanks Jake

 

 

  • Member since
    June 2010
  • From: Irvine, CA
Posted by Force9 on Friday, January 21, 2011 12:51 AM

Hello Jake

I think more likely that cannon represents the "chaser" gun.  The idea being to have a long gun on the spar deck that can be moved across the deck as appropriate to lob shots at a fleeing opponent (or hapless merchantman) in hopes that a well aimed shot (or a lucky one) will take out a critical spar and slow her down enough to be overtaken.  As you point out, Old Ironsides was armed primarily with carronades on the spar deck (at least during her "glory" days)...  Wonderful guns in terms of light weight, small gun crews, and ferocious smashing power, but with the distinct disadvantage of short range and limited accuracy.  This makes access to a long gun imperative.  I would think, however, that the 24 pdr represented in the kit was not appropriate... A long 12pdr or even 9pdr was more likely.  They needed something nimble and able to fire rapidly.

If you'd like to add a nice detail... Constitution's carronades were a hodgepodge of types accumulated over the years.  In fact, commodore Preble bought some from the British during his Barbary campaign.  You could show some with screw elevation (and slightly modified carriages) in addition to the quoins shown on the model.  You'll see this on the restored ship if you find the right photos.

How adventurous is your client?  I've always advocated using the Corne paintings commissioned by Captain Hull as a basis for the paint scheme.  The ends are trimmed in white, but the stripes and lower masts are yellow ochre.  The Gallery windows are trimmed in red.  Very striking and different from the usual ho-hum white stripe... (I think Captain Hull hurriedly painted over the white stripe after he was chased into Boston by Broke's squadron at the outset of the war to make her look more British before heading back out for his appointment with destiny vs HMS Guerriere).

After I complete my Heller Victory, and my Trumpeter Arizona, I'll take another crack at the 1/96 and put my money where my mouth is...!

 

 

  • Member since
    March 2007
  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Friday, January 21, 2011 2:46 AM

A long 9 is a good choice for a chaser. Signal guns are more like a 3, although in the age of sail they were usually a gun on the quarter deck close to where the captain was.

  • Member since
    February 2003
  • From: Lacombe, LA.
Posted by Big Jake on Friday, January 21, 2011 7:36 PM

I agree and I looked into the screw elevator for the deck carronades, but the hub at the back of the guns is too small to detail that out correctly.  On that note, I wonder why the sculpters at Revell left off the qoins (sp)on the lower deck guns carrages, it seems to simple to do. I figure it was because they would not be seen?

 

 

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