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A POSSIBLE CHALLENGE (tongue in cheek)

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A POSSIBLE CHALLENGE (tongue in cheek)
Posted by tankerbuilder on Sunday, April 3, 2011 6:12 PM

YA know , I do , like DON and many others scratchbuild a lot . Now has anyone EVER thought of building a waterline model of the type of ships we often  talk about ? My favorite scratchbuild  where ships are concerned is to build them from the (load waterline)  waterline in the most common of the small railroad scales . Yup , H.O. and N .scale . There is an absolute plethora of parts from the model railroad parts and hardware as well as scenic supplies that can be used on one of these little jewels.How big does a 950' container-ship turn out to be in HO ,well , she,s over four feet long , in fact closer to five with at least 300 containers on board . Now of course that,s too large . How about an inland waters transfer vessel (normally referred to as , at one time COASTERS)(these average 450 to 570 feet) These move liquid freight from say a deepwater anchorage like #9 in S.F.BAY to SACRAMENTO or STOCKTON ,CA. Smaller container ships do go to STOCKTON as well as grain and lumber carrying ships and some smaller auto or specialized freight ships .  Think of the possibilities for a warship. Imagine a 1/87 scale MISSOURI or USS HORNET !  How about a 1/160 ("N' )passenger ship like the greats of forty / fifty years ago ? I have a hull in the works now that when done I hope will closely resemble the ANDREA DORIA . Pictures of her are not easy to come by . Would any of you out there be interested ? Let me know and I can guide you through the beginning steps and then it would be up to you .       tankerbuilder

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Posted by CG Bob on Sunday, April 3, 2011 10:49 PM

tankerbuilder

How big does a 950' container-ship turn out to be in HO ,well , she,s over four feet long , in fact closer to five with at least 300 containers on board . Now of course that,s too large . How about an inland waters transfer vessel (normally referred to as , at one time COASTERS)(these average 450 to 570 feet) These move liquid freight from say a deepwater anchorage like #9 in S.F.BAY to SACRAMENTO or STOCKTON ,CA.  Think of the possibilities for a warship. Imagine a 1/87 scale MISSOURI or USS HORNET !  How about a 1/160 ("N' )passenger ship like the greats of forty / fifty years ago ?

 tankerbuilder

You might want to double check your math.  That 950' conatainer ship would be 10' 11" in HO scale.   There are some guys in SE Michigan who build rc models of the various Lakers in HO scale, the models range from 7' to 11.5' long.  Here's a short list of some of their models:
EDMUND FITZGERALD is 8' 4" loa

PAUL R. TREGURTHA is almost 11.5' loa

CLIFFS VICTORY is built in 1:100 scale and is just over 6' loa

The Scale Shipyard produces a fiberglass hull for the IOWA (over 9') and ENTERPRISE (almost 8.5') classes in 1/96 scale, along with various fittings ans weapons.

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  • From: Twin Cities of Minnesota
Posted by Don Stauffer on Monday, April 4, 2011 8:35 AM

I built a waterline model of the E.J. Ryerson in 1:500 scale.  I chose that scale because it will go into a diorama of the Duluth ship canal.  I wanted the diorama to be about 3 foot long, and the length of the canal suggested that scale, plus I was able to get PE ladders and railings in that scale, plus people and cars in a scale close enough to that.

The largest Great Lakes Bulk carriers are 1000 feet, and one of these days I'd like to do a thousand footer, so will choose a similar scale for that.

Don Stauffer in Minnesota

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  • From: Monterey Bay, CA
Posted by schoonerbumm on Monday, April 4, 2011 12:38 PM

Not such a far fetched scenario...   I have always been intrigued by the early west coast railroads. It usually escapes people that the locomotive "Jupiter" which was present at the Golden Spike ceremony,  had to travel over 15000 miles around Cape Horn on a sailing ship before she ever turned a wheel for the Central Pacific Railroad. I've never had the opportunity to research how sixty-odd CP locomotives were loaded, but it might make an interesting HO or N dockside diorama.

Alan

"Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." Benjamin Franklin

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 4:50 PM

Hey CGBob : sorry about that . I was typing , answering questions from someone talking and all that .You of course are right .It actually works out to 10 foot 11 1/2 inches at the waterline which with bow flare and stern overhang puts,her close to 11 foot 2 inches loa. I fudge here and there to make them fit the layouts of the clients . I have a 400 foot (H.O. scale that is ) and she,s impressive too . By the way I didn,t intend to infer these should be FULL HULL or OPERATIONAL !  I was referring to scratching one that is a waterline model . I have R.C. boats and ships that average out with the largest at 5 1/2 feet . I just like building ships that aren,t found in kits .What got me started was a client that wanted a ship being handled by the TUG that was (I think it,s hard to find now) made by "CORNERSTONE. It could be built with the elevated wheelhouse (For towing railroad barges) or a short wheelhouse for regular tug work . Even though it was made by a rail model supplier and mfgr , I will  say this. Even as a waterline model , it without a doubt  , has to be the BEST tug kit I,ve ever seen . The parts were well made and everything fit the first time . Now if ALL model ships could be like that . Anyway , do you think anyone would be interested in say a transfer tanker or freighter ?      tankerbuilder

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  • From: Carmel, CA
Posted by bondoman on Tuesday, April 5, 2011 6:21 PM

The tug was sold by Walthers as a part of their "cornerstone" series.They are hard to find, but there looks to be some out there but not on eBay. Expect to pay north of $ 50.00 tho.

I've often been tempted, but my railroad (1/160) is packed away until I get some of my space back. I've seen some pretty interesting scenarios though, including one where the railroad ferry was mounted on a wheeled cart and an operator pushed it around the layout from port to port.

I live in a former railroad town that had a car float operation over to San Francisco up into the late '60s. They used three flat cars as idlers to spot the loaded cars on the float because it was pretty small. Sante Fe.

Most larger ships I've seen on layouts are either flats or half models, sometimes mounted against a mirror.

If I were to build a ship from scratch I'd probably go with an architectural scale because that's what I'm most familiar with, like 1/8" or 1/16".

 

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Posted by tankerbuilder on Wednesday, April 6, 2011 6:21 PM

The reason  that I found these so fascinating is manyfold.I used to haunt The finest shop in CONCORD , CA. known as "JUST TRAINS" let Me tell you JOAN , the lady that owns this shop is one cool lady,and she knows her train stuff.She showed me train stuff that is perfect in a marine environment . Decals like manholes , and air vents , supercharger vents and such,plus the many train specific stuff that with MINOR mods that will and can be used on ships . I find "CORNERSTONE"products the most interesting as to the overall usefullness in ALL scales.I have used their oil tank farm kits and piping sets and piping and valve sets in all size ship models except 1/350 and 1/700. I am sure "z' scale would fill that gap. I just got the original idea when I was doing paper models . The first ship in train scale I did was to prove that this kind of building could be applied to ships of certainly show quality, just for the beautiful parts you could get to cut down scratchbuild time . There are scenery kits ,people from PREISER and the list goes on . Using the short end of the old plastic "LEGGS" eggs(the old panty hose egg shaped plastic containers) I built a LNG tanker and using hatches from oil tank cars as well as the circular ladders from tank farms It turned out absolutely breathtaking. Everyone wanted one and that,s where the party started . I have built perhaps 25 of them and yet , not one of my clients has asked for a passenger ship . I think that,s the direction I indicated earlier . Well, I changed my plans , I am going to do the "NORMANDIE" in H.O. scale.This will be a challenge to even me. well , wish me luck.      tankerbuilder

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