toms modelweks pe for trumpeters sovremenny???

Hello from across the Baltic,I heard that EDUARD are making a set for the Sovremmeny 1/200. Now I will have to buy another one.

do you have an ETA on the Eduard set ?

I think Tom decided to cancel his Sovermenny set, since the sales of the kit didn't justify the expense of the tooling. In converations with Tom (who is a close friend) he did mention he's intending on doing a 1/350 set for the new Trumpeter kit.

Jeff Herne
Modelwarships.com

should not be too long.

Ok thanks for the inside tip Jeff, i might just wait and see what the eduard looks like, the WEM kit is a bit to rich for my blood, or should i say wallet... hope the eduard will be cheaper. otherwice i gonna have a hard time justifying them 60£ for the WEM PE and guns...

Agreed Trekki, but still, when you consider the size of the ship and the magnitude of the project, it's not that much in the grand scheme of things.

I have the WEM set, and Sovermenny is a major undertaking that will most likely take me the better part of a year. So...when you divide the cost by the amount of time you invest, it's still cheaper than a woman...LMAO. (Looking over my shoulder watching for the wife).

Jeff Herne
Modelwarships.com

He he, the girlfriend factor must be taken in consideration ;)
when she gets wind of what the WEM set cost, it will take another 60£ of assorted gifts to keep the peace ;)

Hmmm, never thought of that...apparently, Girlfriend 1.0 is more expensive to operate than Wife 1.0, but with Wife 1.0 comes the inevitable Children 2.0.1, which easily outweighs the cost of Girlfriend 1.0

Perhaps you should stick to Dog 1.5 and invest more into modeling!! :-)

Jeff

Im currently running Cat 0.60 and Cat 5.0
They recuire less maintenense then Dogs, but are at the same time more prone randome destruction and general mayham...

its all about finding the balance (and figuring out the best way of sneeking new kits past your girlfriend)

hey guys ! . good to see i'm not the only one 'doing' the Sov. Yes i am guilty of including the WEM p.e. and resin turrets . the p&p almost cost as much as the parts,
i'm in Oz. i have a question.........what color did you guys decide for the hull and boot ? All my references dont show ? Thanks .

Depends on whether you're building it Chinese, Soviet or present-day Russki. I don't know about the Chicoms, but I saw plenty Soviet warships with white boot and red hull, while the new trend seems to be white on green. Of course, those don't give you the precise shade, name and bottle number by paint brand, but it's a start ... somebody smarter can jump in here any time ....

thanks MBT70 , thats what i thought too , until I was shown pictures of Sovey in the North Sea with a ' black ' boot , this just added to confusion of my , then I was told that it depends where and in which sea / ocean it operates ! phew , sometimes I think i should stick to helis'

QUOTE: Originally posted by Jeff_Herne Agreed Trekki, but still, when you consider the size of the ship and the magnitude of the project, Jeff Herne Modelwarships.com

Jeff, you ain't kidding!!! I keep telling my modelling buddies mine will be finished in October in time for the UK IPMS National Championships. I am not saying WHICH October though..... http://www.kipperboxes.co.uk/html/sovremenny.html

The 1:350 kit is much better, but there are still some heavy problems to sort out. All the walkways behind the missile tubes are still missing, there are several recesses in the deck houses not present, and the stack and hangar need a lot of work. The hull is a much better shape, especially the bow in plan view, and the fine detail mouldings are just excellent!
I wonder if they will do any more, a Udaloy, or a Krivak would be cool! Or a RN Type 23, or a Type 42, or a ...

Hey, I've got enough on my bench to keep me busy 'til at least October!

Tim

He Tim, i just found yesterday you're Sovremenny modification ! It already looks great ! I can't wait for seeing the result at the end !
I'm also busy with a 1/200 Sovremenny.
I was planning to start airbrushing the hull and decks this week, buth after seeing you're site, i printed it out totally and i'm gone study the modifications you already did, to see wich ones i can realize on my Sovremenny. I'm afraid it won't be that much as you, i'm not new to modelling, buth the PE and putty is new for me ( the WEM PE is really great ! worth its money ! ) and bashing with plastic is totally new for me, and i'm afraid it won't come out that good by me.
I had already placed the PE doors on the ship, and yesterday made the big PE radar, damn, that is really fine working !
I'm also planning to insert ligths into the bridge, and Tim's guide shows a nice detailed inside of the bridge, i think i'm gone take that one over.

I mailed yesterday to Trumpeter to ask or they were planning a Moskva, Kiev or Krivak class ship in 1/200. That would be great !!! Or a Kuznetsov, buth think that one would be a little to big :p

Hi Falcon10, thanks for your kind words, I am glad the site was useful for you. I am really enjoying this model, even though I have already done loads more work than I originally thought was needed. Every time I check out something, it seems it needs some work done to it!!

Keep us posted with progress on your model, I'd love to see some pics if possible. I would be great to see some more model kits in this range. Let us know if Trumpeter reply!

Best wishes,

Tim

i'llpost some pics this eavening, i already made of lot of them, i'm mailing from time till time with Guido Hopp, who also has a very good Sovremenny guide, and he already helped me a lot with the ship.

I sure let you guys know the reply from Trumpeter as soon if i hear something from them.

BTW : for people who want 1/144 russian ships : http://www.ukrshipmodel.com.ua/IndexE.htm#Moscow

they have the Moskva ( 130 cm ), Kiev ( 187 cm ) and Kuznetsov ( 213 cm ) in that scale !! They are prefabricated, cost a lot of money, and there can be a lot of detailing been done more, buth damn, they look great !

i uploaded some pics :









In the meanwhile i already glued the PE doors on the ship, and thats abouth it :p
From yesterday the main radar is ready, the back radar has still to be made.
Also i'm looking now or i can make some changes to the ship, as Tim did with his Sovremenny, i'm thinkin abouth the walkthrougs below the heli deck and tha passway behind the missile launchers next to the bridge.

http://www.perthmilitarymodelling.com/newkitnews/trumpeter.htm

Ah well, no new 1:200 ship kits for a few months then...... Never mind, I've got lots to do yet on the Sovremenny! I just updated my site, so for anyone interested, www.kipperboxes.co.uk and click the appropriate links!

Tim

oh, goodie goodie !!!Do i see there a 1/350 Kuznetsov :) !!! Sounds like a lot of fun ! Now only a Kiev :) And a Typhoon in 1/200 or 1/350 :)
And a Nimitz class carrier. Damn, my appartement is gone be to little :)

Nice update Tim, buth got 1 question : why are you doing that putty in the windows of the bridge ? Where the windows that you cut out not nice enough ? Or for what purpuse are you filling them again withh some putty ?
Also, i want to warn you abouth something, probly you already keep it in mind, buth to make sure : don't glue the roof of the bridge already on the bridge. You have to paint the exterior of it. If you airbrush it, then you're bridge will become grey inside when the paint fly's thrue the open windows ! Or are you gone paint the ship ? Also : are you gone place glass into the windows ? Or ligths ? First do, before you you glue the roof onto the bridge.

I've yesterday finished the PE tower on the rear of the deck. Damn, that was a fine work ! It costed me 3 eavenings to complete that one ! I'm already afraid how long it takes for the front radar tower ! I already made the big radar on the front of that tower, the rear one is a little more difficult, and the rest of the tower still has to be made.
It's fun, buth it takes a lot of time.
The paint job on the hull is rescheduled to somewhere unknown, thanks to you Tim ! ( damn you ;) ), i'm planning to fill all gaps on the deck also with putty, like Tim, so the aditional parts fit nicer on the deck. Abouth the crosswalks below the deck, i'm still figuring out what to do with it. The bridge i'm gone let as is, only the interieur i'm planning to do as Tim did, its a nice detail.
Also i'm planning to glue the PE ladders over the plastic ones on the ship ( only the ones with no extra grips on the PE ), i noted if you scratch away the plastic of the ladders on the ship, and glue then the PE ladders with no extra grip onto the ship, it looks pretty flat, so i'm gone see now what it gives when you glue the PE ladders onto the plastic ones on the ship.
The places where PE ladders with extra grip on it have to be placed, there i'm gone scratch the plastic away.

Hi Falcon, I had to put putty in the corners of the windows, because the windows on the real ship have radius, not a sharp 90 degree corners. I bought the 956 kit, which has the original 3-3-7-3-3 window layout, and because I decided to model Bespokoynney (620) I had to rebuild the bridge with the later 2-2-5-2-2- windows. When the putty is all cleaned up, you will see the effect! I should have bought the other Trumpeter kit, although because I widened the whole bridge by 3mm, I would have had to re-cut the windows anyway. The putty in the picture looks messy now, but I just checked it and it is already hard. I must go to work now, but tonight I will post the next pictures.

The bridge is painted now, the floor is dark grey, the walls are blue-green colour like Russian aircraft cockpits, and I will put a few decal rectangles on the radar consoles. Why, I don't know!! No-one will ever see this detail!! I am mad.......

I will probably do the windows with a liquid glass material. I bought this from http://greenscene.cjb.net but there are other similar products about. It is like white pva wood glue, you brush it into the window hole and pull a bubble across the hole. As it dries it goes completely clear, and forms a hard, clear skin across the hole. I'll do this after all the painting is done. So about September, at my current rate of progress!

I have the WEM etched parts but not started any of them yet! I'll have to get back to you on this....

Nice pics, by the way, Falcon. It is a mighty impressive model, and I really wish Trumpeter could do some more 1:200 scale models. Perhaps we should all e-mail them with our requests!!

But a 1:350 Kuznetzov.... I could be persuaded to try 1:350 again!

Speak soon,

Tim

Oh, IC, now i understand why you used the putty on the bridge windows.
I didn't saw there was a difference in the window layout of the old and newer Sovremenny's. In that case i don't have to change mine, because i will install the big, old radar on top of the ship, i find it more "Russian", the new flat square radars look too american :p
I'm curious abouth you're painted bridge. It sounds great !

Oh well, the pics are nice, buth nothing is yet glued on the hull of the ship, on the pics its only placed on the hull for a nice overall view.
At the moment the Hull of my ship is ready, except that i have to fill the gaps for the different deck parts with putty and then flatten it again, the gaps that were between the deck and the hull after gluing them on eachother are already puttied and flattend with the rest of the deck, so no more gaps there :)
The parts of the castle and so are mostly also "ungapped" and made even with the connected pieces, just here and there some places that still need to be done buth as said, i'm studieing the possibility to place the walkthroughs under the helideck that you did Tim, so i waith with filling these gaps until i know or i'm gone do those walkthroughs or not.

I mailed them already for more 1/200 models :p Hope they listen, would love to creat a Russian fleet in 1/200. *dream* 1/200 Sovremenny, with a Kiev, Kuznetsov, Krivak and Typhoon !!! Oh boy, got to stop thinking of it, i'm drooling all over my desk ! And think i'm gone need some big place to cast those mamots :p

Tim, small question :

for the building of the crosswalks walls, floors etc , you think it's possible to use architect cardboard ?

Hi Falcon, I don't see why not! My only worry about paper-based materials is they can get damaged by moisture, so if you can seal the card with superglue, varnish or paint, I am sure it will be OK. Paper can be a wonderful modelling material; have a look at www.cardmodels.net for examples!

Having said that, I still prefer to use polystyrene sheet materials, which you can buy in thickness' from .125 mm right up to 6 mm thick. You can cut it easily, it glues with normal plastic cements as well as cyano, and you can paint it just like plastic kit parts. It can be shaped by carving, , filing, vac-forming, laminated together to form blocks, etc. Evergreen and Plastruct sell sheets with textures moulded on, so planks, ribs, tread patterns etc are all possible. Your local hobby shop should be able to help you with this.

Have a look at http://www.wwimodeler.com/harry/woodman.html for some fantastic plastic sheet models!

Tim

Been a while I know, but I've done some decals of the Sovremenny class ships names, in both 1:200 and 1:350 scales. I did these on my OKI 5000 printer, on waterslide decal paper, and they are available in white, metallic gold or yellow/red. I have them on my ebay shop at http://stores.ebay.co.uk/kipperboxes if anyone is interested.

 

Now I have some holiday time, maybe I can progress the Sovremenny a little further!

Tim P