Fragata de D.FERNANDO II E GLÒRIA 1843(Last Portuguese Nau career in Índia)a

Nice build and work on the rigging.

If you enjoy naval rigging in reduced models, see my post from 7/6/2011 Cutty Sark Additional to my .......

 Best regards of Portugal

What a beaut!

Makes me want to build one myself.

 regret the post that originated this response was removed, or deleted by me involuntarily apologize

Can see in this picture is the faithful replica of the ship

Nice work on probably the nicest representation of a 19th century sailing frigate available in small scale. Good work on the rigging in such a small scale too- I got as far as the lower standing rigging and haven't touched mine since.

Will

If you like good job of rigging, see in my post to Cutty Sark Additonal my......1/150 of 07/06/2011

 A. Alexandre

Nice build.  There is one noticeable flaw in the kit components; the spar deck cannon should be carronades.  Otherwise, I like your work!

Bill Morrison 

Can you tell us what brand of kit is this - Revell, Revell of Germany, Imai??

Thanks!

B.Morrison 

Yes Revell 5094 Germany

A.Alexandre

Carronade is a type of naval weapon similar to a cannon, but with a shorter-length barrel with a wider bore diameter.  This was used for short-range engagements.

Being lighter and shorter than a cannon of the same bore diameter, the carriage used is different.  Instead of the four-wheeled cannon carriage, carronades are mounted on a sliding frame which typically was placed on a fixed pivot at the gun port.

I do not know if D. Fernando II is actually equipped with carronades on the upper deck.  If so, the shape of the gun carriages would be different.

According to photos online of the actual ship, the spar deck is armed with carronades except on the fo'c'sle, which are cannons.

Bill

Revell of Germany - Thanks!  Been seeing these on evilbay; pricey kits.  

The Revell kit is a version that's been offered by Zvezda, and originally Occidental.

Where's John Tilley when we need him?

Most internet posts suggest it's an accurate model of the Portuguese ship. At what point in her career I can't find. it's currently a museum ship, which is about the only reason manufacturers seem to keep producing plastic ship models.

Carronades are the shotguns of 19th century naval warfare. They get rated by bore diameter rather than shot weight, for the simple reason that they got loaded with all kinds of nasty stuff and were used to blast enemy decks clear of personnel.

They are named after the Carron Iron Works, which originally cast them, in Falkirk Scotland. Because of their fixed position on deck and comparativly weaker charges, they were served by a smaller crew than a long gun.

IIRC the later version of our sailing Frigates were armed on the quarter deck/ forecastle deck solely with carronades.

My  friends, that I know of that is that the ship has rebuilt with the main deck, 20 short guns and 2 long guns on the bow .in gun deck, 28  short length, but for example the ship HMS Victory has two guns of 68 ponds in the forecastle short length, "carronades" or not various theories about this name!

The Revell kit is presented with 50 guns equal.

A.Alexandre

Nefafan

No Ebay.es -Número del artículo: 350469332861  €22,0 + shipping costs

Browsing the web I found that  also saw carronades in   terrestrial fortifications 

So a carronade is; the set of a gun mounted on a stand with wheels for maneuverability !

Carronades are actually mounted on slides.  Everything I have ever read of this frigate indicates that the spar deck carried carronades instead of long guns.  In fact, one early writing about this kit was full of praise except for the lack of carronades.

Bondoman, it seems clear that John has moved on for whatever reason.  Although I regret that, I believe that many of us have equivalent knowledge and research skills.  We can do this in his unfortunate absence.

Bill Morrison

And...no sooner said than he's posted!

Thank God he is getting well!

Bill

This article might help.

Although re-building the gins and carriages at this scale might be daunting.

Now that Prof Tilley is recuperating and returned to us, perhaps he can use his considerable memory to help here.  I want to remember that the current ship was rebuilt after the original went  to its fate.  I seem to remember some of the "re-pop" discussion where this specific kit has been released as both the original and the current versions with no change to the kit parts.

But, my memory of this can be false.  I do know that when I see this kit built, my first thought generally is "That's and odd looking USS Constitution."

I remember a discussion back when I purchased my copy of this kit a long time ago- there's some good links in it, including some links to nice 'walk-around' photos.

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After much consideration and googling, I figured that the armament of D.Fernando kit depicts her 'design capacity' and is probably not representative of the ship in her role as a colonial/ diplomatic vessel. I would be very suprised if she regularly carried such a press of weaponry when she also had half of her gun deck given over to cabins. The restorers of the ship seemed pretty sure that the spar deck armament would have carried 20x 18 pound carronades and two long-gun bow chasers. That seems perfectly sensible given the sheer weight the ship must have carried on diplomatic missions. I bet she was a nightmare to trim and I wouldn't be suprised if I read that she was a poor sailer!

Much of my research seemed to indicate that original technical records and plans of the vessel were almost non-existant, certainly from the period of her build. I guess most of the decisions, even over fitting- her out would have been made out in Goa rather than in Portugal.

The best information I could find online is a page discussing how decisions were made as to the museum ship's appearence.

http://www.prof2000.pt/users/avcultur/fragata_d_fernando/06Apetrechamento.htm

On the deck plan contained in the above link, note the cabins extending along the gun deck for 1/3 of it's length. and the lack of guns (either carronades of long guns) along the area adjacent to the gangways (not that she has gangways in any real sense). Not much work to depict this using the Revell/Zvezda parts. 

Will

This frigate was built in the Royal Navy Arsenal Damão for the Portuguese Navy (1843/45)

His project was for a frigate of 50 guns in the building but changed to 60 guns, in 1863 resumed the initial design and now has 50 weapons

Its maiden voyage from Goa to Lisboa you place on February 2, 1845 and reached the Tejo in Lisboa on July 4

In 1963 he was charred by a violent fire on board that largely destroy in Mar da Palha Lisboa

In 1992 it was rebuilt,with 50 guns in the shipyards of Aveiro Portugal

Today is a museum

A.Alexandre

Very nice build.... excellent!

Thanks for sharing